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Joe Hollon Byrne Robotics Member

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"You get him being 24 at most."
I'm pretty sure there was a McFarlane era issue (1990-1991) in which Peter is shown blowing out a birthday cake with at least that many candles on it.
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Brian Mayer Byrne Robotics Member

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Victor, you need to add the words "to me" to your first sentance.
Of course what I don't get is why anyone would read twenty years of something they found so awful. That never makes sense to me.
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Gregg Halecki Byrne Robotics Member

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Victor- For the sake of arguement we will say that the stories for the last 20 years since he got married were bad. In general, that is absolutely false, but we will assume for the arguement.
Was it that particular issue that was the demarcation? Did the week after that Annual come out start with a horrible book? If so, what was so horrible about that book that was markedly diferent from the month before that to the extent that you can make that claim?
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Fred J Chamberlain Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 January 2008 at 6:15pm | IP Logged | 4
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Is this the same Victor from the Spider-Man Message Board?
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Paul Greer Byrne Robotics Security

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Posted: 14 January 2008 at 6:16pm | IP Logged | 5
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In an issue of Marvel Knights Spider-Man, Peter attended his 10 year high school reunion. So that ages him to at least 28.
The simple reason you don't age an iconic character. Sooner or later you are going to have to continue the growth and let the character become old and die. If you are not going to show the entire journey of the character, there is no real reason to ever age the character. Just pick a time and tell your stories from that vantage point. Stan and Steve picked the awkward teen-age years for this character. Anything different and you would have had a different character. That's why you have other heroes that may be older. They are not Spider-Man. Making him older and married make for great What If? stories, they just don't make great Spider-Man stories.
I believe Marvel made a mistake in letting Peter marry Mary Jane. I believe no matter what "out" they used it wouldn't have made the pro-marriage fans happy.
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Victor Rodgers Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 26 December 2004 Posts: 3508
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Posted: 14 January 2008 at 6:17pm | IP Logged | 6
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Victor- For the sake of arguement we will say that the stories for the last 20 years since he got married were bad. In general, that is absolutely false, but we will assume for the arguement. |
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No it is not false. Most Spider-Man books in the last twenty years have been terrible. There have been a few exceptions. But in general they have been terrible.
The wedding was a symptom of a greater sickness.
Gregg you are playing a shell game here. Trying to say "But can you prove him being married made the book worse?" When they answer you say "Thats just your opinon."
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Of course what I don't get is why anyone would read twenty years of something they found so awful. That never makes sense to me. |
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Which is why I have not. I did read the Spider-Man books off and on as a child. But thats because I did not know any better. Once I discovered Marvel Tales and Spider-Man Classics, I rarely if ever looked at the current books.
Fred this is the only comics forum I post on.
Edited by Victor .R. Rodgers on 14 January 2008 at 6:22pm
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 January 2008 at 6:51pm | IP Logged | 7
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Paul wrote:
...Peter attended his 10 year high school reunion. So that ages him to at least 28.... |
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Well, at least 27. I graduated at 17, myself.
Paul wrote:
...The simple reason you don't age an iconic character. Sooner or later you are going to have to continue the growth and let the character become old and die. If you are not going to show the entire journey of the character, there is no real reason to ever age the character. Just pick a time and tell your stories from that vantage point.... |
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Sounds like common sense, to me.
Edited by Matt Hawes on 14 January 2008 at 6:53pm
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Zaki Hasan Byrne Robotics Member

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No it is not false. Most Spider-Man books in the last twenty years have been terrible.
*****
To you.
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Victor Rodgers Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 January 2008 at 7:01pm | IP Logged | 9
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Shell game
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Brian Mayer Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 January 2008 at 7:03pm | IP Logged | 10
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So Victor, you are saying most Spider-Man stories over the past 20 years ahve been terrible, but you also say you haven't read them?? Hmmmm.
Hmmm...sounds like a load a manure overall. So you really can't even honestly say "To you" the stories have mostly been bad, because "you" haven't read them.
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Zaki Hasan Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 January 2008 at 7:07pm | IP Logged | 11
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Shell game *****
To you.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 January 2008 at 8:03pm | IP Logged | 12
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Over and over I keep asking "what is wrong specificly with having Peter
aged a little and undergoing a relatively normal lifespan?"
I haven't seen a single good answer other then "because I don't like it".
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Because a major part of the archetype of Spider-Man is someone who
struggles with the responsibility his powers entail and the problems that
causes on the rest of his life. Because of his role as Spider-Man, Peter
appears to be a flaky student, employee, and friend. This appearance of
irresponsibility would be tolerable in a high school or college student
(and these days, even a mid 20-something), but is less so in an adult in
his 30s. Aging Peter pulls Peter further away from his archetype, and he
becomes a different character.
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