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Didier Yvon Paul Fayolle
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Devil's advocate here...even if people don't like the way the reboot is made, isn't it more important that the character we knew is back to the initial state.
In many years from now, the wedding years will be a thin memory in the History of the character.
Now, the more important, on my opinion, is that they really take this opportunity to make it right and don't screw the character again.
In 20 years from now, they are going to make him marrying again, then 20 years later they will say it was al of a mistake....
Circle of life of a fictional character.
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Brian Rhodes
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More and more it seems my first-ever issue of Amazing Spider-Man (#149), creatively, should have probably been the last. Granted, commerce and fan demand wouldn't have allowed this, but it sure seems to be a good ending point. Or at least, a good "freezing" point in Peter Parker's life.
With reprints and guest-starring in other books (including Marvel Team-Up), wouldn't there have been enough Spider-Man around without his own ongoing series?
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***Des Embrey
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I find an odd irony in this flippant revisionist history that comics seem to have degenerated into, given what I've been reading of JB's distaste for Wikipedia because of the free and easy way that entries can reportedly be altered. While that may create the possibilities of Orwellian style editing of presented information, the way the comics industry has embraced rewriting history in its own worlds would send Orwell spinning I think.
Theres a particular arrogance that I find thoroughly distasteful in the way whole decades of a characters history are just throw aside. These are stories some of us have grown up on (okay admittedly I grew up with Kirby & Ditko & Heck in B&W Australian reprint volumes, and Sprang & Boring & Plastino & early Swan - sometimes mixed in the same volumes due to weird licencing here). You'll never see a Marvels style story of the tales of the 80's and 90's - because that history seems to be written in whiteboard marker, and changed at a whim.
I fail to see how Pete/Spidey being married curtails the ability to write a good Spidey story. The character has grown as the years have passed. So what? There's a richness to the character from that which writers can surely use or ignore as they wish. To use an example from wildly out of left field, but from a well written book - look at Desert Peach. Do the stories set in WW2, the stories set in the crumbled Germany after WW2, and the stories set in the present, suffer at all from the growth of the character over time? Quite the opposite.
Contrast this to Pete/Spidey who now appears to be a pathetic guy in his 20's still living with his Aunt and unable to hold down a long term relationship. Where is the drama in Pete's life now? Will he ever have a long term girlfriend or wife? Not a chance. Will May have another heart attack? Does it matter? There's no chance May will ever die. She seems destined to still be alive in The Last Galactus Story. I quite enjoyed the interplay of May and Jarvis - aparantly that never happened. Frankly Pete might as well not exist - they might just as well only have Spidey.
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Fred J Chamberlain
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Though it'd be cool to see it with a single artist doing the work, this mock page was fun...
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Michael Heide
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"I find an odd irony in this flippant revisionist history that comics
seem to have degenerated into, given what I've been reading of JB's
distaste for Wikipedia because of the free and easy way that entries
can reportedly be altered. While that may create the possibilities of
Orwellian style editing of presented information, the way the comics
industry has embraced rewriting history in its own worlds would send
Orwell spinning I think."
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But they're all fictional stories anyway. Aren't they?
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John Byrne
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Funny, Fred -- but why the "shit"? Why the "three-way"? You had it nailed
up to that point.
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Fred J Chamberlain
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I had the same reaction to the 3 way comment, but let it go since it was made by a younger mod over at the Alvaro Message Boards.
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Brad Brickley
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I had the same reaction as JB, great up to that point. What makes it fun is keeping in spirit of the original Hostess ads. Redo it for us. Thanks.
Edited by Brad Brickley on 12 January 2008 at 7:05am
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Emery Calame
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Yeah. The raunch in the hostess parody is a bit too "Sean Baby" for my liking.
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***Des Embrey
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But they're all fictional stories anyway. Aren't they?
As, I'd venture, is most of recorded history probably. Certainly the content of broadcast and print news media this brave new century.
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John Byrne
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This is the "Imaginary Story -- but aren't they all?" crap. Every time it rears its ugly head, I die a little. It so clearly underscores what has gone wrong at the most basic level, the core, the root, the soul of this kind of fictioneering. When you lose that bit of magic, that ability to plug into the story and have it be absolutely and unshakably real (at least for the duration), you have lost the most essential mechanism of the whole thing. The first time you see Spider-Man in an "inescapable" death trap, and think "but he'll get out of it because they have to publish next issue", it's over. Stick a fork in it. Time to move on.
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Paulo Pereira
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Haha, love the Hostess ad. The "3-way" line is a bit much, perhaps.
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