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Allen Moyer
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The first few parts of this have been very good.
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Since these "stories" are based on a premise we all agree is WRONG --
Spider-Man would NEVER make a "deal" with the devil -- by definition
these stories CAN'T be "very good." They begin and end at "wrong."
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Stéphane Garrelie
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Salvator Larroca, who work with JBF's Mark Guggenheim on the next arc, used to be very good on Claremont's X-Treme X-Men. In recent year his work have been, different... and overall not as much liked as it used to. For good reasons i think. Yet the preview pages we saw some moth ago of his upcoming Spider-Man work seem to be excellent.
As someone who loved the Slott/McNiven arc, i'll buy the Guggenheim/Larrocca one. And have good hope.
And me too i'm looking for Bachallo.
Amazing Spider-Man is now one of the series again. It hasn't been in a pretty long time.
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Stéphane Garrelie
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Since these "stories" are based on a premise we all agree is WRONG -- Spider-Man would NEVER make a "deal" with the devil -- by definition these stories CAN'T be "very good." They begin and end at "wrong."
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OMD is easy to ignore. As far as i'm concerned it never happened.
Thats how i read Brand New Day.
Now the problem with OMD in the Spider-Man continuity exists, but could be dealt with later. That's not something that we should let go between the character and us.
The problem is not just Mephisto, it's Queseda. OMD isn't different of the rest of what he did as EIC. This time it hits the 90s kids too, but thats all.
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Todd Douglas
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Read the third part yesterday.
It was nothing special. Certainly not enough to make me forget the deal with Mephisto, nor enough to make me want to drop nine bucks a month to read. There's nothing in there that REQUIRES the changes that deal brought about.
It was, however, enough to make me wish there was a Spider-Man book I truly enjoyed reading. I suppose I'll just have to keep wishing. After all, it only took about eight or nine years of that wishing between the end of Untold Tales of Spider-Man and Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #5. Maybe it won't take quite as long this time.
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Tim Cousar
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I just finished listening to "Macworld Podcast: Snell and Ihnatko." Jason and Andy mostly were talking
about things introduced at the Expo, but they spent the last two
minutes talking about Spider-Man and OMD/BND.
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Gregg Halecki
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To Allen Moyer:
It is very wrong to state that we ALL agree that the premise is wrong. I do not necissarily agree with that. I may, or I may not. I am a bit up in the air on it myself. I would guess that there may be others here on this board who are not 100% comitted one way or another as well.
Even if everyone on this board was in complete agreement. What does that mean? That it is largely unpopular with the domographic represented by people on this board. But so what. As JB has stated ad nausium, it isn't necissarily about what the 30-50 year old fans from way back think. (I think that is a fairly reasonable description of most of the posters here, myself included, and I would assume you as well.)
There is a legitemate school of thought (that I disagree with) saying that they should be (are?) focusing on the younger and potential new readers, who may not find it as repulsive an idea as you may. Over the years I have learned that no matter how terrible I think something is, or even how repulsed I may be by it (American Idle, Dancing with the Stars), there are people that will love it. Who are we to say that something is categorically bad because we may hate it?
Taken from that viewpoint, I will always maintain that it is helpful to be able to segregate the story itself from the telling of the story. I posted a few pages back that it was a terrible idea to bring Bucky back. There was no good reason at all for it. Having said that, the execution of the story was extremely good. Good enough for me at least, to overlook my disinterest in WHAT was happening because I was very much enjoying HOW it happened.
If you are going to look at a story and decide that it is going to be bad by definition before you even read it (if you did) then what is the constructive point of participating in a discussion about it?
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Adam Hutchinson
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QUOTE:
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I haven't read the third part yet, haven't had time with a sick daughter and work, but I would agree with that especially through the first two parts. What I'll probably do is give each of the writers a shot and then decide based on the whole "brain-trust."
I just can't wrap my mind around the "we've got a great idea for these classic-esque Spider-Man stories, and super creative teams lined up and a full promotional push, but we can't start it until we have some major decks clearing event first" mentality.
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Glenn Greenberg
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<<<Not that the kids are a hard thing to fix, all you have to say is
Norman took some DNA from Gwen's grave and had it combined with his
to make the kids as a way to mess with Peter. He's done things like that
before and boom its done.
And you never refer to them again.>>>
Oh, I seriously doubt that they'll ever be referred to again anyway.
Still, I was hoping to see something that established definitively that the
stories involving them NEVER HAPPENED.
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Glenn Greenberg
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Double-post. Please delete.
Edited by Glenn Greenberg on 25 January 2008 at 11:44am
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Greg Kirkman
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Oh, I seriously doubt that they'll ever be referred to again anyway.
Still, I was hoping to see something that established definitively that the
stories involving them NEVER HAPPENED.
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I wouldn't be surprised if, somewhere down the line, there's a flashback or something snuck in which quietly indicates that it never happened in the revised history.
Edited by Greg Kirkman on 25 January 2008 at 11:44am
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Glenn Greenberg
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<<<I wouldn't be surprised if, somewhere down the line, there's a flashback
or something related to another topic that quietly and subtly proves that it
never happened in the revised history.>>>
Peter David would be the ideal person to write that!
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John Byrne
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He can show Parker reading one of the "Sins Past" issues and laughing.
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