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Emery Calame
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Well Brian, it doesn't matter because thanks to new and improved industrial strength Mephisto(TM) brand continuity polish none of it ever happened. Those scratches are gone! It brings back that new character smell with a sparkly finish that won't rust! (Maybe.)
(I think she was, believe it or not, a genetic throwback who was exploiting a ridiculous forgotten cold war era weapon that would kill anyone without dormant insect people genes. She could control people with dormant insect people genes. And mutate Spider-man.)
As for Batman....well.. Tim (Robin III and V) is secretly a jerk now too. Hee Hee! And Robin II/Jason/Red Hood is off mellowing in another universe with other orphaned successor characters and Ray Palmer the ex-Atom. It turns out he's not all that tough when he doesn't have pop up machine gun traps to lead his opponents into. Go figure.
Also we recently heard about the concept of "hardened" DC multiverse time being malleable with 27th century technology. I'm afraid to ponder how this fits in with Superman Prime's time-punching antics.
I'm kind of hoping that Superman Prime morphs into Pariah so he can spend the rest of eternity crying and watching universes blow up.
Lately reading super hero comics seems a lot like I always thought going insane would be.
Edited by Emery Calame on 20 January 2008 at 12:12am
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Matt Hawes
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Emery wrote:
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...He got the spider-talk ability after the Insect Queen dominatrix character tied him up and kissed him and turned him into a huge spider* in "Spider-man Dissassembled".
(* That died, split open and revealed a new Peter with bio webs. Before the Other.)
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In "the Other" Spider-Man lost an eye, passed out, woke up in the hospital to Mary Jane getting assaulted by Morlun as she tried in vain to defend him, hissed, grew drippy cyrstaline looking wrist spikes, got up, killed Morlun, ate his head, died in Mary Jane's arms, molted out of his corpse leaving a husk behind, crawled off and pupated in a cocoon (unspider-like) chased his husky remains around which apparently taught him to read vibrations on web.* Then Doctor Light raped him, Batman ignored him, and Maxwell Lord shot him in the head. I think...
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Gee, when you put it like that, Emery, it sounds so dumb.
Oh... wait...
It was very dumb!
Could you imagine explaining this stuff to new comic book readers?
Edited by Matt Hawes on 20 January 2008 at 12:35am
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Matthew McCallum
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Lately reading super hero comics seems a lot like I always thought going
insane would be.
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Could you imagine explaining this stuff to new comic book readers?
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And we wonder why the rest of the world gives comics a wide berth...
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Roger A Ott II
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Wes Wescovich: I wish that [Grell] got more work in the mainstream
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As long as he stays away from Iron Man. His run on the character a few years back was so wretched it caused me to drop the book for about 2 years.
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Brian Floyd
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Wasn't it under Grell's reign when Tony Stark outed himself as Iron Man just to save a friggin' dog?
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Vinny Valenti
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"Then presumable a footnote to those issues would have to include some
kind of reference to what was changed, right? Seems easier to avoid
footnotes. They're not auto-installing, after all!"
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Ok, I see you point, JB. I guess they will just have to avoid references to stories which take place after the divergence. But
the somewhat more annoying thing about all this is that it's not a case of what was changed, since according to Quesada
and the gang, the answer is "nothing" - supposedly all of the past stories still "happened", just that everyone's memories
of what happened were altered. So at the moment these BND Spider-Man stories are a "false" reality - kinda like the 2
issues of ASM where Mysterio was messing with everyone, particularly Flash Thompson. That leaves the door _wide_ open
for a future writer to want to undo what was just done.
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John Byrne
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I guess they will just have to avoid references to stories which take place
after the divergence.
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Avoiding story references is the easiest thing in the world. Yet it is
something with which some writers (and fans!) seem to have an inordinate
amount of difficulty. Perhaps it's an aspect of the "completist mentality",
but I have read stories, both fan and pro, that seemed unable to touch
upon the lightest detail without referencing some past event. *Captain
Fonebone had breakfast in issue 347 - Ed.
This is the straight line to books becoming bogged down in "continuity".
On the other hand, I wrote and drew FANTASTIC FOUR for five years and
never once referenced Reed and Ben's WW2 adventures, something which
other writers complained about as a huge burden when writing those
characters. "How can I do this without mentioning WW2?" Er-- umm --
by not mentioning WW2?
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Matthew McCallum
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John,
I read your comment and Faulty Towers started going through my head:
"Look, don't mention the war. I mentioned it once, but I think I got away
with it alright."
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Roger A Ott II
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Brian Floyd:
Wasn't it under Grell's reign when Tony Stark outed himself as Iron Man just to save a friggin' dog?
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Yep. And while the sentiment is noble, it flew in the face of everything that had come before it. In the 1998 Iron Man & Captain America Annual, Kurt Busiek and Roger Stern plotted a story where Iron Man used Mentallo to remove the knowledge of his secret ID from anyone on the planet who knew it. This brought him into an ethical confrontation with Captain America. It was treated as a very serious matter, and Iron Man felt justified in altering the minds of lots of people because of the benefit of keeping his ID secret to protect himself and the people he cares about.
Then Grell has him give it up in the way he did. Made no sense to me, but at that point, it wasn't a surprise, given how they'd been mishandling Iron Man since Busiek and Stern left.
Edited by Roger A Ott II on 20 January 2008 at 11:31am
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Paulo Pereira
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QUOTE:
| Stephane, thanks for posting these pages-- I am sorry to say I am far from impressed. They don't remind me at all of the Stern/Wolfman era because the storytelling is so d r a w n o u t. . . |
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Aided and abetted by that unnecessary (or unnecessarily large) flashback panel. The standard number of panels per page these days seems to be four and it looks like the artist is unwilling to even fill that modest number with actual story. I have to wonder if this was at the behest of the writer or if it was the artist's decision.
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John Byrne
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The standard number of panels per page these days seems to be four and
it looks like the artist is unwilling to even fill that modest number with
actual story.
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When I did the JLA arc that Claremont ended up scripting, Carlin told me
to "make it six issues, so it will make a good trade." "What if I don't have
six issues worth of story?" I asked. "Splash pages! Double page spreads!
Four panel pages!" was the reply.
Well, at exactly that moment, I resolved that I would not only come up
with a story that was worth six issues, I would increase the number
of panels per page (i had been averaging 4 or five for several years at that
point). I ended up with seven, eight, even nine or ten panel pages.
And I discovered something totally counter-intuitive. The pages with
more panels were faster to draw! I don't think that experience is
unique to me. Maybe it's something these slow-poke modern artists
should learn!
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John Byrne
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…Grell's reign…
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Wow. I didn't even know Grell had done IRON MAN!!
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