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Chad Carter
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Just for the sake of it: I had Frank up my arse when I first got on the Forum, but over time we saw more eye to eye on things than not. Frank could be a bitch-out artist, but I enjoyed watching him tear into others' inane commentaries.
I can imagine JB and others would get tired of dealing with the Frank Experience. But to say Anyone who does what Frank did is bound for banning is just slope-browed. One of my favorite guys is Joe Zhang and he was probably more acidic than a 3D Man version of Frank, but he didn't get banned.
Leave it to some petty people to bring up a situation that occurred a few years back as indicative of a "Nazi" effect, which I think JB should use as a title quote on the main page, as it's almost psychotic in propaganistic surrealism. Never let it be said that exaggeration and blatant rudeness is not the core of a mediocre society.
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Chad Carter
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It was NOT the time or place for a revelation about the death of a relative. What the hell's the guy doing posting when his mother just died? Or, if it's not that big of a deal to him and he doesn't have grieving to do that DOESN'T require announcing the death to everyone, then why announce it AT ALL?
Or, announce it as others have...if the dude needs to hear condolences, put it in its own thread. If a person really meant something to me, all the sorries and RIPs in the world aren't going to make me feel "better". Why would I want to? I just lost a part of my life! Forever!
I dig the Forum, but you all aren't going to help with that.
Edited by Chad Carter on 19 January 2008 at 8:58am
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Andrew Paul Leyland
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"SPIDER-MAN, SPIDER-MAN, SPIDER-MAN, one more day, SPIDER-MAN, SPIDER-MAN, marriage, SPIDER-MAN, brand new day, SPIDER-MAN....
Does that help?
...geez..."
Yes. Immeasurably. Look, people are talking about Spider-Man again. Well Done Eric!
"As usual, this tempest in a teapot will blow itself out, and the thread will drift back to topic"
You are correct, sir. These kind of blow outs happen here from time to time and mostly I just ignore. But I was really enjoying this thread. So in the interest of back on topic...
What's the general (non-spoiler) consensus on BND? My comics arrive at the end of the month so I haven't read any yet. So is a hit or a miss? (and apologies if this has been covered in the last 5 pages of unpleasantness. To be honest I can't be arsed wading through it all to see).
Andy
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delaney clark
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well, i thought i was going to read opinions on the new spider man stories. but there appears to be lots of hostility from people in here. i don't know this frank that was banned, but couldn't he just create a new e-mail and rejoin the forum under a new name? maybe he is posting in here now.
anyway, i am not a fan of spiderman making a deal with the devil to slightly prolong his frail aunt's life. i don't really even like mephisto. that would imply a hell which would imply a heaven and maybe even a super-jesus. so, why would mephisto even want a deal? does he get peter's soul now? most likely in about one yea, when they bring in a new writer peter and mary jane will meet again and suddenly remember everything and decide to get back together.
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Allen Moyer
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That's hair-splitting and you know it. If the point being made is not the
point originally made, if the person making the point has had a change of
mind, then a point is still being made. If I say "I used to hold with B, but
now I hold with A, and here's why…" the point I am making is A. That I
started with B is of no importance in the "narrative".
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I think you'll find that most real writers would disagree strongly, and
would tell you that the journey and turning point that leads to
someone's change of heart is of great importance to the narrative.
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Allen Moyer
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Was he the same guy who always liked to argue the opposite point no matter how trivial the subject?
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Pretty sure you're thinking of someone else here, Paul.
Frank was a good egg.
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Frank was the black fellow, right? A Star Trek fan? He seemed like a
good sort. Very kind of him to attend that funeral. REALLY stand up. I
remember a Spider-man guy from my lurking days. Now HE liked to argue.
The guy was probably a lawyer. By now I bet he's been banned from
a dozen different forums.
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John Byrne
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I think you'll find that most real writers would disagree strongly, and
would tell you that the journey and turning point that leads to someone's
change of heart is of great importance to the narrative.
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Which is why I place "narrative" in quotation marks. Refer to the post to
which I am referring. We are not dealing with a "story". We are dealing
with real life -- albeit in a decidedly skewed manner, on an internet
message board. In real life, the "characters" operate on their own,
without guidance and direction from "real writers".
This is a problem I see a lot, tho, on comicbook message boards in
particular. People who have spent a lifetime reading comics have
effectively been "trained" to seek subplots. They try to look "behind the
scenes", and the most innocuous comments often cannot pass without
being subjected to some variant on "What did s/he mean by that?"
Usually we see this in the form of a post that begins with some variant on
"So what you're saying is…" and then proceeds to something entirely
other than what the referred to poster was actually saying.
This point stands. The death of a family member, only hours old, was
used to support a point made about a comicbook story. Dance all you
like, that's unshakable. And, in the vulgate, incredibly tacky.
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John Byrne
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Frank was the black fellow, right?
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We don't make racial distinctions in this Forum. Why do you feel you
need to?
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A Star Trek fan?
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The "last straw" was a disparaging remark directed against STAR TREK
and the STAR TREK fans on this board, as I recall.
Current board membership stands at just over 1000. So this ever-so-
egregious banning would represent one tenth of one percent. Lot of
energy being wasted on so small a "cause", don't you think?
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Stéphane Garrelie
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Frank's avatar was/is black. i think he is white. Though like JB said that never was the point.
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Wallace Sellars
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Emery, the art just didn't feel right for a Spider-Man book to me. (No knock
on the artist intended.)
On a related note... When did motion/speed lines become a <i>bad</i>
thing in comics?
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Al Cook
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Am I a cartoon cat?
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John Byrne
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On a related note... When did motion/speed lines become a <i>bad</i>
thing in comics?
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When the people drawing the comics became embarrassed to be drawing
comics?
Or where you being rhetorical?
Fake Milestone: 40,404
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