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Andrew Paul Leyland
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Blerrggh!
I don't come here to see all this petty back stabbing and bickering. I come here to talk about comic books. This used to be a good thread. Guess it's going away now. Well done people.
Andy
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Todd Hembrough
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I loathed the way Frank corrected my grammar and spelling. I still do (not as often, tho. Perhaps my grammar is better?).
But I did appreciate that he brought that note to the Allinson's during that most horrible time. It helped us to connect for a final farewell to a 'friend' we had met online, and his grieving family.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 19 January 2008 at 6:39am | IP Logged | 3
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This used to be a good thread. Guess it's going away now. Well done
people.
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Hang in there, Andrew. As usual, this tempest in a teapot will blow itself
out, and the thread will drift back to topic. It's already begun to do so, in
fact.
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Eric Smearman
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SPIDER-MAN, SPIDER-MAN, SPIDER-MAN, one more day, SPIDER-MAN, SPIDER-MAN, marriage, SPIDER-MAN, brand new day, SPIDER-MAN....
Does that help?
...geez...
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David Teller
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"Des,
You're right. We need to re-boot this thread. Where's the Shaper of Worlds
when you need him! "
I want Mephisto - after all, he'd fix this all and make every thing publisher friendly for his own diabolical reasonings... that are so deep we can't. Quite. See. What. They. Are.
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Wallace Sellars
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I haven't read OMD, but I have looked through the two most recent Spider-
Man books, and was put off by the art.
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Dave Phelps
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Depends on how many people actually were turned off by the marriage, I guess.
It also depends on how well the creative teams mesh. If fans really like Marc Guggenheim but can't stand Zeb Wells, they may decide to not bother with any of it. Same with the art - I'm not sure how much the audiences for Steve McNiven and Chris Bachalo overlap.
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Despite its flaws, #546 was pretty new (and to a lesser degree returning) reader friendly. Just wasn't old reader friendly. They basically said, "OK here's the deal - now have fun."
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Did a better job than a lot of books (mainly because at least we got a ton of subplots - most have the same amount of "a plot," but forget the rest), but I think they need a better mix of Peter moments and Spider-Man moments.
Edited by Dave Phelps on 19 January 2008 at 7:59am
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Dave Phelps
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If it helps, McNiven is only on for the first story and has no current plans to come back.
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Emery Calame
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Pablo, Wallace, Phelps (Hmmm...Sounds like a law firm!)
I didn't notice anything particularly egregious about the art in BND issue though I only glanced at it. I'm not challenging the observation that he's not your cup of tea but I am curious about what you don't like in his work? And this is not a trap. I am genuinely curious and not out to start something. Heck I won't even respond. I just want to hear what it is about Mcniven's art that isn't working for you.
Edited by Emery Calame on 19 January 2008 at 8:24am
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John Byrne
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Yet you take that very quote out of context.
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No I didn't.
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You excerpted half a paragraph out of three. In so doing, you left out the
parts that placed the excerpted part in context.
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Paulo Pereira
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Steve McNiven is another example of a good illustrator but I'm not sure I like him as a comic book artist.
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Ted Mederson
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Like not using your own mother's death that very day to make a point about
a story in a comicbook?
That really doesn't bother you in the least?
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I can't judge how anybody deals with the death of a parent. I haven't had to go through it yet.
Maybe the guy considers the people on the forum his best friends. Maybe he just needed to "say it" to help try to get a grasp on what was happening and typing it somewhere happened easier than saying to another person directly. I don't think the "thrust" of his point was Spider-Man - it was dealing with his loss.
Whatever the case, it's pretty easy to not take that opportunity to possibly make someone feel worse.
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