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James Woodcock
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What gets me is that they refer to the units that track down unregistered heroes as 'cape killer units'. Follow that logic through:
so, uh, we don't actually catch these guys, we kill them, that right?
A bit like calling policemen thief killers. Let's see how long THAT would be allowed.
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Charles Jensen
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JB, I don't even know what this discussion is really about. I just read the initial post and thought this was a decent rationale for using the term, even though not many superheroes wear capes. It makes sense to me because no one else wears capes so it is a symbol of superheroes.
But I don't know what context the term is used in, I was under the impression it was a deragatory term in the comics world. I wasn't saying it was a good term for fans to use describing superheroes.
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Chuck Wells
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Superheroes is the best term for describing "superheroes."
Period!
Anything else is just too "kewl" for me.
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Michael Connell
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| Posted: 02 October 2007 at 5:46am | IP Logged | 4
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Just off the top of my head:
Superman
Supergirl
Superdog
Batman
Robin
Batgirl
Huntress
Raven
Green Lantern (Alan Scott)
Starman (Ted Knight)
Batwoman
Red Tornado
Doctor Fate
Spectre
Phantom Girl
Mon-El
Phantom Stranger
Captain Marvel
Mary Marvel
Captain Marvel Jr.
Power Girl
Zatanna (In 2 different costumes)
Doctor Midnite
The Atom (original in second costume)
Plus Villains like
Dr. Polaris
Dr. Light
Ultraman
Superwoman
Owlman
That's more than we've come up with for Marvel and that's with me just waking up and having a few sips of coffee.
*Edited to add Triplicate Girl (How could I forget her?)
Edited by Michael Connell on 02 October 2007 at 5:55am
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Gerry Turnbull
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isnt "capes" from Brian Michael Bendis's Powers ?
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John Byrne
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Lists of who does or doesn't sport a cape are rather pointless, in the context of this discussion. Better to ask, simply, when thinking of the Marvel and DC "universes", which characters instantly "define" the neighborhood. At DC, of the three most iconic characters, two wear capes. At Marvel, naming the superheroes who are known to the general public -- civilians unfamiliar with the intricasies of the "universe" -- none wear capes. Even as a kid I was aware of this. I was present for the birth of the Silver Age (tho it would not have occured to anyone at the time to call it such), and, being mostly a DC fan for the beginnings of my association with comics, I was very aware that these upstarts at Marvel mostly eschewed the "traditional" cape. In the first half dozen years, Thor was very much the exception. In fact, curiously enough, it was the villains who tended to sport capes at Marvel.Perhaps this was because artists like Gil Kane and Carmine Infantino had "broken the mold" at DC, with characters like The Flash, Green Lantern, the Atom, or perhaps it was because Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko preferred more "practical" costumes -- tho the underarm webbing on Spider-Man's costume manage to suggest a cape, without actually being one. Whatever the reasons, National/DC had defined itself as the place where characters wore capes, while the neophyte Marvel was quickly defining itself as the place where they didn't.
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Steven McCauley
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I'm pretty sure I've read an article in which Stan Lee said that Marvel stayed away from capes in the beginning because the competition had so many characters in capes.
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Flavio Sapha
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I have a hazy memory of reading John Constantine refer to super-heroes as "capes"...either in Swamp Thing or The Books of Magic...
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Edited by Flavio Sapha on 02 October 2007 at 7:05am
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Bill Collins
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I saw Siegel and Shuster on an ancient documentary(1981) saying they gave Superman a cape so it would add movement to the scenes of him flying.
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Greg McPhee
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In the cases of Batman, Superman and The Shadow a cape or a cloak adds something to, and becomes a part of the character.
Especially in The Shadow's case.
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Brian Kirk
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Off the top of my head, wasn't there an issue of Captain America with Steve Rogers as Nomad WITH A CAPE; he tripped on it & ripped the cape off and the caption read "Captain America was never meant to wear a cape."?
Or it could be the beer.
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Michael Connell
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It's not the beer, I remember that as well.
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