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George Peter Gatsis Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 September 2007 at 9:16am | IP Logged | 1
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i suspect... (anyone correct me if I wrong, and in this forum I think it will happen pretty quickly)
1) that when Peter married Mary-Jane, some or all of the writers didn't know how to write a good married life story for Spider-Man...
or VISA VERSA...
2) the audience couldn't deal escaping into the comicbooks and seeing content that is close to home for the married readers and for the younger readers couldn't escape into stories of a married Spider-Man...
Getting it back to what alot of people THINK made Spider-Man work is a groovy tune with a snappy beat... but how long will it last until someone else comes up with a "lets have Peter slowly remember"
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Brendan Howard Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 September 2007 at 9:17am | IP Logged | 2
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Lots of great points there, Bruce.
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Howard Mackie Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 20 September 2007 at 12:41pm | IP Logged | 3
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Look, there really is nothing new under the sun--including this debate. I can tell you this same debate has been raging at Marvel for years. "What can we do about Spider-Man?" The thing is no one in editorial (or any part of the overall publishing group) is really talking about the books, or the characters. Really. All they care about are SALES. Spider-Man has been around for a real long time. In that time there have been lots of good, and lots of bad(yes...I'm looking at YOU CLONE SAGA!) stories. Do they kill a franchise--no they don't.
And here is the the thing about Big Events, Publishing Stunts, X-Overs, etc...--THEY SELL comic books! People keep buying...sales get a boost...so they keep happening. The current administration at Marvel heaped all kinds of criticism upon the previous regime about all the same things... and then turned right around and did the same thing. Why? Because theyneeded to sell comics, and make their annual budgets.
Clones... Skrulls.. cosmic reboots... theyt are all just comic books devices attempting to get sales up. Sometimes they work... sometimes not.
I really believe people do not continue to buy a comic book, year after year--no matter how well written-- period. You have core readers, and those that visit for a while. Those visitors are usually attracted to some special event. You keep them around for awhile... and then they walk/straggle/drift away...rarely(in my opinion, and the Clone Saga may have been an acception) are they DRIVEN away.
My two cents.
Howard
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Ted Pugliese Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 September 2007 at 12:51pm | IP Logged | 4
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Thanks, Howard. Since I am only paying "a penny for your thoughts" it looks like I just made a penny. Feel free to use Paypal.
(I hope I am not working too hard at this feeble joke)
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Francesco Vanagolli Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 03 June 2005 Location: Italy Posts: 3130
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Posted: 20 September 2007 at 1:05pm | IP Logged | 5
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Howard Mackie:
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And here is the the thing about Big Events, Publishing Stunts, X-Overs, etc...--THEY SELL comic books! People keep buying...sales get a boost...so they keep happening. The current administration at Marvel heaped all kinds of criticism upon the previous regime about all the same things... and then turned right around and did the same thing. Why? Because theyneeded to sell comics, and make their annual budgets.
Clones... Skrulls.. cosmic reboots... theyt are all just comic books devices attempting to get sales up. Sometimes they work... sometimes not. |
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Mr. Mackie, you deserve a statue. How many times have I heard about "those awful Nineties!" (Aunt May mode) from those readers who love the same stuff (produced today) and from those authors who WRITE this stuff. I call it the "calendar syndrome". It turns out that an avent is good or bad because the year of release.
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Glenn Greenberg Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 September 2007 at 2:42pm | IP Logged | 6
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<<<I'm looking at YOU CLONE SAGA!>>>
Howard, you really must get over the Clone Saga. Trust me, since then,
there have been FAR WORSE Spider-Man stories produced. (I'm looking at
you, SINS PAST!)
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Greg Kirkman Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 May 2006 Location: United States Posts: 15775
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Posted: 20 September 2007 at 2:58pm | IP Logged | 7
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Howard, you really must get over the Clone Saga. Trust me, since then, there have been FAR WORSE Spider-Man stories produced. (I'm looking at you, SINS PAST!)
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F***, yeah!
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Lance Hill Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 September 2007 at 3:16pm | IP Logged | 8
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Remember that time Spider-Man died and crawled out of his own corpse reborn with new powers twice in the span of two years under completely different circumstances?
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Greg Kirkman Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 September 2007 at 3:17pm | IP Logged | 9
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Remember that time when Spider-Man started dressing like Iron Man, Jr. and joined the Avengers as Tony Stark's houseboy?
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Martin Redmond Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 September 2007 at 3:22pm | IP Logged | 10
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Yes! And it was all Mary Jane's FAULT. Because wifes are a downer who suck the fun out of everything. It's MJs fault even though she's fictional. ALL OF IT! >:(
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George Peter Gatsis Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 September 2007 at 4:30pm | IP Logged | 11
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A SUCK-U-BUS!!!! Yeah that's it.
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Howard Mackie Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 20 September 2007 at 7:30pm | IP Logged | 12
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<<Howard, you really must get over the Clone Saga. Trust me, since then, there have been FAR WORSE Spider-Man stories produced. (I'm looking at you, SINS PAST!)>>
Oh, I am SOOO over it, but I have laughed with Ralph Macchio about the stuff that has gone on since, and how it makes revisit the CLONE SAGA and say,"Wow! It really COULD have been worse!"
Howard
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