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Dave Phelps
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I've been checking in on this thread a bit and it just got me to wondering if anyone here is looking forward to the "Brand New Day" ASM relaunch? 

Cautiously optimistic, but Peter and MJ potentially being magically unmarried and MJ ending up as a superhero leave me more than a little cold.  (Not necessarily because of the superhero angle, but because that puts her in line to be Peter's girlfriend again and going from "Peter and MJ married" to "Peter and MJ dating" seems incredibly pointless to me.)

That said, after what we've been through the last few years, I'm almost willing to live without the marriage if they'll just stop fucking with the character and start telling stories in the core title (I don't know about the writer of Sensational, but Peter David at least tried although he kept having to derail his plans to keep up with all the events going on) with subplots and a proper supporting cast that are there to simply entertain the readers and aren't done in an attempt to make it on the evening news or "change the character forever." 

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I haven't bought the title since Sins Past. Marc Guggenheim, Dan Slott and co. are giving me hope enough to try the book again with Brand New Day.
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 Larry Morris wrote:
You postulated a theory that holds no water
Instead of just conceding that you were wrong or dropping out...

 
 Brad Danson wrote:
If you'll read all my posts you'll see that I conceded that JMS did not do it to make readers forget her. But I'm sticking with the theory that he intentionally tried to make her less likeable. "Forget" was too strong of a word. "Move past" is what I should have used.


 Larry Morris wrote:
So you've amended it again?


When was the first time?
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Andrew, nice to see someone else on the "marriage wasn't the end of the world" side... :)

I'm just as adventurous as a married guy as I was when I was single. I dress a little better now and don't rely on Taco Bell for dinner nearly as much as I used to, but it's not like marriage was the end of my days as an interesting person.
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I would have an Editor on the book that would look out for the best interest of the character and not shock value stories to sell a few books.
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Andrew, nice to see someone else on the "marriage wasn't the end of the world" side... :)

I'm just as adventurous as a married guy as I was when I was single. I dress a little better now and don't rely on Taco Bell for dinner nearly as much as I used to, but it's not like marriage was the end of my days as an interesting person.

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Put me in that camp, too, fellas.

I don't think the Peter/Mary Jane marriage was a great idea, if for no other reason than it eliminates the classic "I'm needed as Spider-Man, but how do I get rid of MJ/Gwen/Betty/etc.?" stories. (On the other hand, I think Superman works much better as a married man, but that's a different discussion.)

But having a married Spider-Man hardly means the end of interesting stories. And I hope that whatever the "fix" is on ASM that Mary Jane is still a big part of the Spider-Man universe. She's too important to write out, even for a while. 

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While I prefer the single Peter Parker, I agree being married is nowhere close to being the biggest problem Spider-Man has nowadays. The Spider-Man I read growing up was married, but that didn't drive me away from him or make the stories gloomy. Of course, even the current version of Spider-Man sells to kids here in Finland (being avalaible in grocery stores, supermarkets etc. might have something to do with that). I only buy "the kiddy Spider-Man" title which reprints stories from the British Spectacular Spider-Man, though - the latest issue had a pretty fun Spider-Man/Silver Surfer team up story with Kang as the villain (contrast that with the regular title being knee deep in Civil War at the moment).
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<<<She's too important to write out, even for a while.>>>


See, I disagree about that. I think, if the marriage is really going to be
undone, then MJ should be written out of the books for a good long time,
and then she should be brought back later on in an important and
impactful way.

During the time when she's gone, Peter can get involved with other
women--perhaps including the Black Cat--and have a wide variety of
experiences with different types of people.

It worked before--MJ was written out of the books in the late 70s after
she turned down Peter's first proposal of marriage. I think she was
supposed to be down in Florida staying with her Aunt Anna, and she
made maybe one cameo appearance during that enire period, in the form
of a long-distance phone call.

Then, when Roger was writing ASM, he had her come back in a big way--
she walked in on Peter getting kissed by some hot blonde in his
apartment. It was the first time we'd seen her in a LONG time, and the
moment worked perfectly.

Absence makes the heart grow fonder, so if MJ was gone for a long time,
it would mean so much more when she finally returned.

Also, for the undoing of the marriage to really work, for Peter to be
successfully re-established as a single guy, I would argue that it's
necessary for MJ to be out of the picture, at least for a while. Otherwise,
she'll be a constant reminder of the marriage.




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I don't know how or if the marriage will be written out of The Amazing Spider-Man, but I have wondered if a divorced Spider-Man is a good thing. Seems awfully grown-up to me.
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Yeah, I don't want to see Peter Parker get divorced. In that case, the "cure" would be worse than the "disease"!

 

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<<I would have an Editor on the book that would look out for the best interest of the character and not shock value stories to sell a few books.>>

You need someone who is interested in BOTH the "best interest of the character" AND the sales, or you will have no book.

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<<See, I disagree about that. I think, if the marriage is really going to be
undone, then MJ should be written out of the books for a good long time,
and then she should be brought back later on in an important and
impactful way. >>

 

Could not agree MORE, Glenn. If she is not gone, then it is just more of the same-- and readers will be waiting around for them to get back together.

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