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Taavi Suhonen
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| Posted: 25 September 2007 at 9:53am | IP Logged | 1
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| ... Why would the Hand give a fig about Dr Octopus? |
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The second Doctor Octopus (Carolyn Trainer who used to be Octavius'
student) and Stunner (original Octopus' girlfriend who first showed up
bit before his death) had their hands in it too, but it's been a while
since I read the story so I don't remember what they offered to the
Hand in exchange for reviving the man both of them loved.
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Glenn Greenberg
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| Posted: 25 September 2007 at 9:58am | IP Logged | 2
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<<<I'm just not being an anal ass.>>>
Ahhh, someone else to add to my "Ignore" list.
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Brad Danson
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| Posted: 25 September 2007 at 10:04am | IP Logged | 3
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Should've done that in the first place, then you wouldn't have complained about me making such an offensive point.
But for the sake of everyone else, here's how it stands:
-I *think* JMS intended to make people dislike Gwen in hopes of readers eventually forgetting her.
-Glenn thinks that someone COULD argue that JMS intended to make people dislike Gwen in hopes of readers eventually forgetting her.
I'm sure that clarifies it for everyone because I don't want anyone thinking Glenn and I might be in cahoots.
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Brad Brickley
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| Posted: 25 September 2007 at 10:12am | IP Logged | 4
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I *think* JMS intended to make people dislike Gwen in hopes of readers eventually forgetting her.
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That's crazy. I dislike Hitler, yet haven't forgot about him. You can't forget someone, you can just go on. Or you ignore. But you don't forget.
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Brendan Howard
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| Posted: 25 September 2007 at 10:13am | IP Logged | 5
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With Gwen being made a major character in Ultimate Spider-Man and Spider-Man 3 over the past few years, it's disingenuous to make a claim that anyone at Marvel wanted her to be "forgotten." Rather, I would say that JMS saw that she was being used elsewhere and wanted to put his mark on the character.
Which he did, the same way a dog puts his mark on a fire hydrant.
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Brad Danson
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Good point, Brendan. It is strong enough to actually make me retract and say that maybe JMS only did it to knock her off her pedestal. The Ultimate version certainly wasn't on one.
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Victor Rodgers
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| Posted: 25 September 2007 at 11:08am | IP Logged | 7
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. Why would the Hand give a fig about Dr Octopus?
*******
"Hey Ninja guys want to make some money?"
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Glenn Greenberg
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| Posted: 25 September 2007 at 11:24am | IP Logged | 8
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<<<Should've done that in the first place, then you wouldn't have
complained about me making such an offensive point.>>>
For someone who's been here for a fairly short time, you certainly have
quite the attitude. FYI--your point wasn't offensive. It was simply
inaccurate, with regards to lumping me in with you. Instead of just
backing off, you decided to go the obnoxious route.
<<<I *think* JMS intended to make people dislike Gwen in hopes of
readers eventually forgetting her.>>>
Okay, that's what you believe. You've made that clear.
<<<Glenn thinks that someone COULD argue that JMS intended to make
people dislike Gwen in hopes of readers eventually forgetting her.>>>
Again, please stop speaking for me.
I think I made it clear that I was simply putting forth a THEORY, one
that--again, I think I made clear--that I myself didn't NECESSARILY
believe. Just putting it out there for discussion, which is what this
message board is all about.
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Matt Reed
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Bruce Buchanan wrote:
| I totally agree that Aunt May shouldn't have died in the first place. But I'm a bit torn on bringing her back - it's nice having her around, but bringing her back seems to cheapen an important moment in Spider-Man history (not to mention a fantastic story in ASM #400). |
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I couldn't disagree with this sentiment more strongly if I tried. Aunt May should never have died. Period. Just as you said. But to say May shouldn't have been brought back because it "cheapens" ASM 400 is just plain silly. ASM 400 was a cheap story, an easy way out to answer all the fans at the time clamoring for her death. May is a constant living reminder for Peter that "With Great Power, Comes Great Responsibility". Having her die, killing her off, removes that very important part of his reason for being just as much as May finding out Peter is Spider-Man and ::choke!:: forgiving him. What cheapens the character, what makes him "less than", is removing that guilt with her forgiveness and also killing her off in ASM 400.
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Matt Reed
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| Posted: 25 September 2007 at 12:17pm | IP Logged | 10
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Andrew Kneath wrote:
| I confess I'm kind of glad they brought Norman back, he's a great villain and the fact that he know's Peter's Identity makes him all the more dangerous. |
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There hasn't been a story since his resurrection that is half as good as before his death. Right now, he's a second rate Kingpin; a powerful NYC businessman who has a mad-on for Peter Parker.
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Bruce Buchanan
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| Posted: 25 September 2007 at 12:28pm | IP Logged | 11
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Matt, I agree that Aunt May should've never been killed off in the first place. Completely, 100% agree.
My point was about bringing her back after her death. That's what I'm torn about, not killing her off in the first place.
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Matt Reed
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| Posted: 25 September 2007 at 12:29pm | IP Logged | 12
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I look at bringing her back as one of the few instances in recent memory where Marvel is concerned as saner heads prevailing.
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