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Greg Kirkman Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 May 2006 Location: United States Posts: 15775
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Posted: 24 September 2007 at 1:23pm | IP Logged | 1
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Yeah, JMS' work in mainstream superhero comics seems to be a case of square peg, round hole.
Edited by Greg Kirkman on 24 September 2007 at 1:23pm
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Greg Kirkman Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 24 September 2007 at 1:26pm | IP Logged | 2
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I haven't read it in a while -- but is there anything in it that precludes Gwen being clone-Gwen or MJ being duped into believing the story (Mysterio/Mesmero/Green Goblin)?
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It would be easy enough to say that MJ was brainwashed to tell a BS story, and that the "children" are some sort of genetic constructs/androids/other.
The real problem is with Peter himself, because he stupidly accepted MJ's revelation by saying "it all makes sense now". Which it doesn't. So, was he brainwashed, too, maybe?
And if it could be revealed that Norman Osborn is dead, and the current guy is a clone/impostor/android...
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David Ferguson Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 March 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 6782
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Posted: 24 September 2007 at 1:31pm | IP Logged | 3
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The real character of Gwen Stacey and how much Peter and Gwen meant to each other is done really well in Spider-man: Blue.
Not a HUGE fan of Loeb but enjoyed this.
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Taavi Suhonen Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 27 April 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 1544
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Posted: 24 September 2007 at 1:42pm | IP Logged | 4
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The answer to Sins Past and Norman Osborn being alive: Skrulls. ^^*****'s using them right now anyway, so...
I think JMS is also capable of writing characters created by other people, or
at least used to be back when he was working on He-Man and the Real
Ghostbusters.
Edited by Taavi Suhonen on 24 September 2007 at 1:43pm
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Larry Morris Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 15 July 2007 Location: United States Posts: 622
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Posted: 24 September 2007 at 2:19pm | IP Logged | 5
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<<I really think the attempt of "SINS PAST" was to make the readers forget about Gwen. Obviously it failed but she HAD been put on a pedestal and was too important to Peter's life. Peter's story needs to be that he is Spider-Man because of Uncle Ben's death. Gwen's story was getting almost as much attention as the origin.>>
As others said, I don't agree. If you want them to forget about her, don't use her at all. Wasn't Peter with her in House of M? That's after JMS' story. How much attention was Gwen getting before SINS PAST? A story every 3 years where Peter mused about his relationship with her? Spider-Man Blue I'll give you. That a mini centering on the relationship, but usually it's a single issue.
I don't think Gwen needed to be knocked off her pedestal, and certainly not by pissing all over the integrity of her character
Hey, maybe her mistakes there made her more realistic, but I'm not looking for realistic. Men routinely have affairs on their wives. Does anyone here want them to do a story where Peter has an affair on MJ because it's realistic? I know I don't.
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 14 June 2006 Location: United States Posts: 4797
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Posted: 24 September 2007 at 2:50pm | IP Logged | 6
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Me neither, Larry.
And I agree - I don't think Gwen needed "knocking off her pedestal." Sure, she came up every now and then, as she should. Gwen is an important part of the Spider-Man mythos. But I never got the sense she was being overemphasized after her death.
Bottom line: JMS took a beloved character and did his best to ruin her.
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Victor Rodgers Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 24 September 2007 at 2:54pm | IP Logged | 7
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I haven't read it in a while -- but is there anything in it that precludes Gwen being clone-Gwen or MJ being duped into believing the story (Mysterio/Mesmero/Green Goblin)?
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I wrote this earlier.
my idea of undoing Sins Past is to say MJ had post hypnotic suggestions given to her while in labor, by the medical staff on Norman Osborne's payroll. The twins were created by good old Miles Warren as a fail safe to kill Peter.
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John Mietus Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 9704
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Posted: 24 September 2007 at 4:10pm | IP Logged | 8
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Glenn Greenberg wrote:
If you don't mind my asking, JM, what reason
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"It just kinda... happened."
In other words, he was a master seducer and she was an emotionally and
sexually immature college student.
Matt Reed wrote:
I think JMS writes his own characters well. [...] But I
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I've been pilloried for this 'round these parts before for saying this, but
I'm going to do so again -- since his Daredevil run, I've felt the exact
same way about Frank Miller.
[edited to add] Of course, the difference is that Miller's mainstream
superhero work has been out-of-continuity, so the damage has only been
done as a general influence on other writers, unlike JMS's Spider-Man
stories.
Edited by John Mietus on 24 September 2007 at 4:13pm
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David Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 24 September 2007 at 4:23pm | IP Logged | 9
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According to LITG, the current idea for fixing Spider-man sounds a lot lot like one of JB's old ideas, only dumber. Click here.
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Brad Brickley Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 24 September 2007 at 4:29pm | IP Logged | 10
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I think you just write each new issue and just forget the crappy stuff. Stay true to Spider-Man's character and do the best you can. If you get too much criticism, ignore it and try to get new readers.
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Thomas Moudry Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 24 September 2007 at 4:38pm | IP Logged | 11
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Norman Osborne was a master seducer? With that hair?!? I don't think so.
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David Ferguson Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 March 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 6782
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Posted: 24 September 2007 at 4:43pm | IP Logged | 12
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Real ladykillers (pun not intended):
If I was writing Spidey, I'd follow Brad's rule (after reading the Lee/Ditko run)
Edited by David Ferguson on 24 September 2007 at 4:45pm
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