Re: 'good daleks'

See the original series story "The Evil Of The Daleks".

Simon BJ

The cheap, quick and easy redemption of villains is a fairly wide spread element of entertainment. It's still kind of distasteful though and usually requires an absurd level of revisionism or outright dissonance with the previous tone of the show or book.

Well if they redeem themselves, it's okay. I just don't understand why no one seems to be able to get over Jean being Dark Phoenix nearly 30 years ago and being resurected once when any other characters especially bad guys get resurected with no explanation given. If you're gonna be anal about continuity why only target nice characters who actually have a back bone?

Seriously, having a telepathic affair because it counts as a fantasy is below gutless. If I recall, Emma often mentioned they were having the affair this way because they were too intimidated by Jean... Now there's nothing wrong with this story line, in fact I thought it was pretty cool. But I also thought that Scott and Emma were 2 huge losers to be laughed at. So I don't understand how people could admire them. I'm appaled and clueless as to why they were canonised as heroes.

I can understand wanting to ditch years and years of continuity, but the writer shouldn't ditch his own continuity from 2 years ago. How long is too long? Even Invisibles had retroactive plot holes and it was a FINITE series that only lasted 5 years. The final fight in volume 2 contradicted events that had happened the year before in the first half of the same volume. I seriously wonder how long the attention span of most of his readers is.

"The final fight in volume 2 contradicted events that had happened the year before in the first half of the same volume. I seriously wonder how long the attention span of most of his readers is."

You may well be right, but care to expand the point by giving an example?  For instance, if you're referring to Xorn being [spoiler] after we'd apparently seen Xorn's thoughts, those thoughts were seen in the context of a diary written by Xorn for Xavier. 

Simon BJ

I was talking about Invisibles, his magnum opus which is full of plot holes. If I recall, the plot holes were explained by the fact that one of the characters was writing the story.

Regarding New X Men, didn't the Weapon X project base end up being Asteroid M set on course for the sun that Magneto totally knew Wolverine and Jean would be on after fighting weapon x even though he had no means to predict this but Magneto planned it ALL ALONG mwhahaHAHAHAHAHAHA. 

The Xorn reveal was total random nonsense. How could Magneto stage himself a prison in China, predicted the X-Men would save him. His endings are a big pile of bullshit. It doesn't matter if it was planned all along. If the readers think it makes no sense, the build up has failed.

Well, I'm off to have an internet affair since those don't count and just hope my wife conveniently dies because I'm way too chicken to be able to face up to her! I'll just run away on my motorcycle to a strip club if she finds out! *sob** Cyclops: The Man, The Legend.

The problem is that true evil is something seldom faced by most, and so they can't fathom it to be 'that bad'.
Darth Vader is kinda cool, so it's tempting to have him turning to the good side, since it's what kids want the good guys to be - cool.

I think it goes farther than that. Theres a huge number of people, many in the media, and very influential, who would argue there is no such thing as evil. Its a viewpoint that has been fostered on the World for years now. Tucci WIlliams wasn't a bad guy, he was  misunderstood. Pol Pot was a mass murdering psycopath but his heart was in the right place. Add to that the apologism for dictatorial regimes among intellectuals and I think it makes sense. Really, When at least 35% of the country things FIdel Castro, Hugo Chavez, And Vladimir Putin are more honorable, less dangerous, and less facist, than George W Bush, It shows a serious problem with moral equivalency.

It's a problem, because it shows that mythology of things seem to have little connection to the reality of things in peoples minds.

Agreed everytime I hear some environut talk about how the redwoods were here before man I want to scream. In fact most of common knowledge is all the first and none of the latter.

I heard this expression, "One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter".
And then they refer to Castro, among others, and while I dont have a particular opinion about the man, he never was a terrorist.
- He fought a guerilla war, and that's not the same.

Allthough I see your point. I dont think Castro was the best example. He was Both. He did in fact terrorise the countryside. Yes he drew support from the commoners, biut those who didnt support his revolution and even those who didnt support it as much or as zealously as he liked, were taken from their homes and executed. Che alone signed thousands of death warrants and personally preformed many of the executions. All of whihc was of course sanctioned and apporved by Castro. The cubans I knwo have been calling him a teroris for decades and they would know I reckon.

Somewhere along the way, guerilla became terrorism in many peoples minds, and that's mainly because people have such a fuzzy notion about what's what.

Poosibly because most guerrila armies do engage in terroism. Look at Al queda, they started as guerillas using terroist tactics and morphed into pure d terrorists.In fact look at the vast bulk of "guerilla" revolutionaries throughout history and most used terrorist tactics.

 
Castro didn't make an enemy of the people during the actual fight, instead, he relied on them, and whatever happened with that, happened later after he had seized power.

He preyed on many during the fight as well.

The guerilla fighting is militaristic in nature, with military targets, and does not target innocent people specifically.

In theory? Yes I agree. In practise? Theres a lot of overlap.

So, while these authors claim 'mythology' in all that they do, most seem to simply lack actual understanding of the subject they mess around with.

I would agree.

If Magneto had been a guerilla warrior, I might have gotten the point of it all, but he's a terrorist, and that's just low.
 - There's no redemption for him!

Also agreed.

>>Is there any chance the real Scott Summers might also be lying in an egg at the bottom of Lake Michigan? <<

the Skrulls' gotta have the real guys stashed somewhere, right?