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Michael Everall Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 31 March 2007 Location: United States Posts: 640
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Posted: 10 July 2007 at 10:35am | IP Logged | 1
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I watched a featurette from the Ultimate Avengers 2 dvd. Millar and Hitch
were talking about the costumes and "updating" them. I *think* it was
Millar who was saying they needed to be more militaristic...ok, that I can
see...so, they put some pouches on...yep...and piping. Um..piping? Since
when is "piping" part of a battle uniform?!
There were so many wrong things in the interview, I just shook my head.
They tried to justify quite a bit, but a number of changes were "just
because". I'm surprised someone didn't say "Why? If you can't give me a
reason, you best not be messing with it!". I'm guessing the someone in
charge spends most their time putting out on the green.
(I rented the dvd because there was supposedly a George Perez interview
on the disc...sadly it wasn't! If someone happens to know where that
interview comes from-let me know please)
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 July 2007 at 10:57am | IP Logged | 2
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"On behalf of the world's CPA's, I have to say this: Many people
consider the ability to do long division, calculate square roots, or
balance a checkbook in one's head a superpower."
Now if accountants had death-ray eyes, no one would dare mess with the petty cash :)
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Jason Schulman Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 July 2007 at 11:11am | IP Logged | 3
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Paulo -- yeah, that's how we'd characterize the X-Men. That's not necessarily how the X-Men -- or some of them -- would characterize themselves. Their reason for being is, again, different than that of the Avengers.
BTW, an article on a book on Morrison's early writings is here: http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=11069
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Emery Calame Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 July 2007 at 11:23am | IP Logged | 4
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Maybe having someone ask Psylocke if all kunoichi (female ninjas) dress like strippers or if it's just her and Elektra would be funny. Then Spider-Man could take his mask off again.
Edited by Emery Calame on 10 July 2007 at 11:23am
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 July 2007 at 11:28am | IP Logged | 5
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QUOTE:
Their reason for being is, again, different than that of the Avengers. |
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Not really. They both exist to fight bad guys.
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Stephen Robinson Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 July 2007 at 11:30am | IP Logged | 6
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I guess I read these things differently than everyone else. I thought the question was, essentially, "why did you give us brightly-colored costumes instead of keeping us in the old school uniforms?" Which does make a certain sense. The X-Men aren't the Avengers, after all.
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If Sue Storm redesigned the FF uniforms so that they were all wearing unique costumes, they would still be "superheroes," so there'd be no sense in Ben asking, "Why'd you make us dress like superheroes?"
The professional athletes allusion that JB made is spot-on -- not just in how superheroes dress but in how the world relates to them. The existence of professional athletes has not resulted in a drastically different world, much like the existence of superheroes does not result in an unrecognizable world for us.
Slight digression: I've always viewed the DC Universe as being the comic-book equivalent to Los Angeles. It is more "artificial" and the "heroes" (celebrities) are overt and distinctly different from us. Marvel, to me, is like New York -- grittier, a little more down-to-earth and "real." Just as I might see Robert De Niro browsing in the same record store I'm in, a Marvel Universe resident might see Spider-Man crawling up the wall behind him. He then goes about his business because that's the world in which he lives.
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joe glasgow Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 July 2007 at 11:36am | IP Logged | 7
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"Why did you have us dress like superheroes?"
If i remember clearly, that was Grant Morrison, on his New X-Men, where
he poped that question. I imagine that it's his way to be "pseudo-cool"!
"Dude, you're fucking BLUE and furry!" should have been the "pseudo-cool" totally out of character reply from the bald chap in the wheel chair...
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Ted Pugliese Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 July 2007 at 11:43am | IP Logged | 8
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Perez is on the first Ultimate Avengers DVD, IIRC.
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Ted Pugliese Byrne Robotics Member
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Oh, BTW, right on, JB!
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Michael Everall Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 July 2007 at 11:49am | IP Logged | 10
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"Perez is on the first Ultimate Avengers DVD, IIRC."
Thanks Ted!
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Chuck Wells Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 July 2007 at 11:53am | IP Logged | 11
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A couple of posters have already mentioned the names of a creator (or two) who suffer from the mindset of "kewl." As for those military-styled costume "upgrades":
For me, a project like JMS Supreme Power, was inferior to the old Squadron Supreme maxi-series by the late Mark Gruenwald - - - specifically because of this attitude.
From the moment, those designs showed up on my desk - - - had I been editor - - - I would either have killed the project outright (thinking that the potential creative team held the developed property in utter contempt) or redirected their efforts into a new title; using what was presented as something entirely new (without tarnishing my established property).
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John Byrne
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Posted: 10 July 2007 at 12:08pm | IP Logged | 12
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Always scary when modern writers say they want to make something "militaristic". For many, that means "fascist". The military, for these guys whose closest exposure to it was going to see "Flags of Our Fathers" and throwing popcorn at the screen, is seen as a bad thing.
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