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Eric Russ
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Handled properly, Superman reflects whatever era
he happens to occupy.
John Byrne
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I agree. The character represents something....morals, values and I don't
think that a shift in a different direction....say a bloodthirsty,
unscrupulous Superman is the way to go. Society is numnbed out enough
without more of the same in the mix.
Also, a book written by adults should not pander to what a younger
audience wants but what they need. It should have some type of
parable..not always but something to aspire to.
I heard that Stan Lee said, "You should never give a fan what they want."
(I'm Paraphrasing) By the same token I guess it can be said that while you
don't shun certain things that a new generation has there should be a
repect to that which came before.
Some would argue that the legend of Superman is unhip because
everyone else is "bloodthisty and aggressive." In a society where
EVERYONE is bloodthisty and aggressive makes the character
hip..because he/it goes against that status quo.
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Matt Hawes
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Nothing is wrong with the "real" Superman. It's the writers that are the problem.
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Aric Shapiro
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"Nothing is wrong with the "real" Superman. It's the writers that are the problem."
And the artists....
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Brendan Howard
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I have been enjoying the recent runs on Action and Superman by Busiek and Johns, and had thought that the character was back on track. Am I in the minority?
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Joe Zhang
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I think they're doing a good job.
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Bruce Buchanan
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I definitely agree, Brendan - Busiek and Johns are producing some of the best Superman stories in years. The character definitely is back on track.
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Greg Kirkman
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The thing about Superman is that the character has always been resilient enough to survive whatever has been thrown at him. Bad comics, bad cartoons, bad movies (like the most recent effort). He's been in slumps from time to time, and he's been the victim of hotshots who have tried to "reinvent" him, but he has survived, and will survive for years and years to come.
Superman was the first (and greatest) of all super-heroes. The core concepts of the character are incredible strong, and still touch the hearts of people of all ages, even today.
The character may have started out as a "social crusader" (or a bully, as some have called him), but the basic concept of a noble, heroic man who uses his great powers to help people was there from the start. And that is the key to Superman's appeal. The super-powers are fun, but the fact that he is so pure and so heroic and so dedicated to doing good is what attracts people to him, I think. He's a character to admire.
Edited by Greg Kirkman on 22 January 2007 at 1:26pm
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James Hanson
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Aric, when you say a "new" Superman, did you mean an updating of Superman in particular, or an all new superhero that's more in tune with current trends and such? I see Spider-Man as the "new Superman" of the 60's and 70's and the X-Men as the new "Supermen" past that.
It would be great for comics to develop a "Harry Potter", a character that could drive the kids and adults over to the medium in droves.
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Greg McPhee
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When he is written correctly Superman is still the best super hero, and at the moment I agree that Geoff Johns and Kurt Busiek are producing some fantastic stuff.
I had given up on Superman due to the writing around 1999, shortly after Dan Jurgens left, but have come back for Johns and Busiek and I am glad I did.
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Aric Shapiro
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Notwithstanding the fact that there are some good Superman stories being written(and I cannot vouch for this becasue I haven't followed Superman in some time), the question remains whether the character needs to be altered to appeal to a younger crowd. Are any kids reading Superman?
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Anthony Lloyd
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Are any kids reading any comics? Why single out Superman?
but it has me wondering whether in order to attract a new and younger fan base we need a new character more in tune with today's youth ---A. Shapiro
What are you trying to tune too? What are the younger fan base reading that couldn't be covered in Superman?
How much younger are you talking?
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James Hanson
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Kids should be going nuts for Spider-Man, a character who's movies and merch are red hot popular. Marvel should have magazine after magazine of easy, accessible, and enticing entry level books ready for those kids to devour. The same with the X-Men, who had a massive financial success with their last movie, and Batman, who's Batman Begins film was in the top five last year (maybe top three?) of high grossing films.
I don't understand how properties so hot can't be made profitable via comics.
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