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James Hanson
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Pedro Bouça
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Just getting back to Francesco's post:
Il Figlio di Mefisto? THAT story kicks arse!
Villa has nice artwork, but I never think he gets the shading right.
His light sources are all over the place! My favorite current Tex
artist is Civitelli, with his almost "clear line" style.
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Jason Fulton
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Thanks, James - I had completely forgotten about SUPERPOWERS.
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Paulo Pereira
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Batman looks good in that poster.
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Joe Zhang
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That Super Powers poster is awesome !
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Chris Abel
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Worse yet, the obsession with "Terrorism" in comics. All right, we get
it...there's Terrorism, there's awful governmental invasions, right
right, it's on the news every bloody day. What's the point exactly
in having contemporary superheroes dealing with Terrorism?
You could have said the same thing during WWII. Replace 'terrorism' with 'nazi' or 'jap'. Comics have always been topical. During the 50s and 60s the Heroes fought against "Communism". Comics have always had their heroes face off against external forces that threaten the US, not just Super-villains.
Edited by Chris Abel on 19 January 2007 at 8:39pm
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Robert White
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Honestly, if JB liked every single new thing produced by Marvel and DC and pretended that comics where better than ever and getting better every month, I'd get pretty bored with his comments. Isn't that Bendis' and Morrison's job?
I think some forget that JB, as well as many other creators that I admire, have commented that they lose interest in reading comics once they get heavily into the process of creating them. I can understand this. I have no idea how many comics JB was following in the late 70's and early 80's, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was less that most of us would imagine.
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Roger Jackson
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We don't get Superman smashing thru walls, we get him sitting on clouds.
That's true, it's a very downplayed cover. But never judge a book by it's cover (or check out the Neal Adams cover version of the same issue)! That series really brings back the fun stuff that I've loved about Superman that we haven't seen since the silver age. I love it!
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Roger Jackson
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I always cringe when I read or hear that statement. Illustrative example of why? I set out to do "old fashioned comic book fun" and did BATMAN & CAPTAIN AMERICA and GENERATIONS. Frank Miller set out to do "old fashioned comic book fun" and did DK2.
The term simply has too wide an interpretation to have any meaning any more.
Very true! Cap/Bats was a great, fun comic, while Miller dropped the ball big time with DK2. Talk about disrespecting the characters (for the most part, Dick Grayson---sheesh)! Unreadable claptrap!
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Eric Lund
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The big difference between the two camps really gets down to who is embarassed about this stuff.. Fans of comics of which I am a part LOVE all the decades of comics... Love the Golden Age, the Silver Age, the Bronze age, etc..... It is all good.. The "Apologists" as I like to call them HATE the older decades of comics... they were "stupid" or "silly" the stories were "dumb" and they dismiss any and all things from anything that Wizard is not saying is KEWL right now... I have heard them say comics with fights are "dumb" and they band wagon jump on whatever is the fad of the moment....
As a kid in the 70's and 80's... All periods of comics were GREAT in my eyes and the eyes of my fellow fans.. We didn't think that the multiple Earths were stupid or or names like Ultra Boy were dumb... It was FANTASY..... Somwhere along the lines a breed of "fan" came along that dismissed and hated all things that were not of the moment.. .It is cultural really.... They view music, movies and television the same way....
I could show the "Apologists" art and stories that would blow their minds that came out in the 70's that was as sophistacated as anything they have read and even more so.... In Avengers 146 the main villian commits suidcide by putting a gun to his head..... Green Arrow in the 70's catches Speedy shooting up heroin.... I could go on and on... "ealism in comics did not get invented in the early to mid 90's ... EC comics in the 50s blew the lid off of that with their Crime Stories and Horror...
It is a really small world to think that only relevent things come out today on the stands....and if you REALLY looked at the comics of the past you would be surprised... The covers to comics in the late 60's to Early 70's by DC and Marvel told more of a story with one single image than books do today with 22 pages to work with.. Check them out sometime.... But i forgot nothing worthwhile has been done since 2003....
Edited by Eric Lund on 19 January 2007 at 10:48pm
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Roger Jackson
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Steve: "A simple answer, instead of trying to 'figure out" anything would have been nice."
Joe: Maybe he just assumed you have more interpretive facilities than you actually do.
That sounds too much like mindreading, which is frowned upon, Joe.
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Matt Reed
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Stephen Sadowski wrote:
| When I go back and read the comics that I loved as a kid..The ADAMS/O'NEill Batman..the Perez Justice League...they dont read well... They read like kids comics. Now some would say that that is THE POINT...lol. But I was reading them THEN through ten year old eyes.Kids these days ARE more sophisticated than we were at ten! |
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Poppycock. I'm currently rereading the Claremont/Byrne run on X-MEN. Not "kids comics" at all. Perez/Wolfman on TITANS. Not "kids comics" at all. Adams/O'Neill Batman?!? Not "kids comics" at all. All ages, yes. Simply kiddie fare? Not on your life.
Listen, I think there's a place for comics that appeal to everyone. Comics for adults. Comics just for kids. Comics for all-ages. But to use the above examples as things that read as just kiddie comics is totally without merit. I don't buy, for a moment, that kids today are more "sophisticated" when I see my nieces and nephew, ages 5 - 14, get excited about the exact same things I did at their age.
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