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Stanton L. Kushner
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Posted: 26 August 2006 at 5:01pm | IP Logged | 1  

This pointless back and forth and relentless, deliberate missing of the point is making me wish there was an "ignore" button for whole threads!

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No; I get your point.  The trend we've been discussing just doesn't bother me or detract from my enjoyment of Morrison's work.  I'm not suggesting anyone else is wrong for feeling differently.

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Posted: 26 August 2006 at 5:11pm | IP Logged | 2  

No one would tell Shaq he looks silly in his face, would they?
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Sure it is.  Villians are the Bad Guys.
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But the point is, in the world of superheroes, they wouldn't see costumes as something to make fun of, as they're nothing out of the ordinary.



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That's just silly, Patrick.  There's nothing out of the ordinary about clothes, but kids get picked on for what they were all the time.  You honestly can't see a super villain trying to denigrate a hero by any means necessary, even picking on their costume to get under their skin?

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Jason Fulton
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The last one is posted for irony.

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Martin Redmond
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Posted: 26 August 2006 at 5:24pm | IP Logged | 6  

I stopped reading NEXTWAVE when I realized I could get every joke for free on his message board.

Same here... I think it started more promising than it is. It's fun but it's desperately in need of a plot. Some of the jokes are really just taking the piss... I'm just like ooookaayyy... and like 5 pages into it I'm thinking about what I'm gonna be fixing for supper. I'm expecting the Simpsons, but he is writing Family Guy.

The artwork kicks ass though! Anyway, I'm really disapointed because it started out strong. I expect better out of  him.

As for costumes, I have to say, I love super heroes but I hate the costumes too. I love the action adventure they have. But I'd personally enjoy it more if they were wearing less silly clothing. However, a writer should just ask for a costume change instead of whining about it through the characters and leave it at that.



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Patrick Drury
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I disagree...the sky is indeed falling. Worse and worse comic books are being put out for older and older auidences making the characters, which were once all ages, now completely different entites altogether. And as long as they hire people who dont respect the damn genre, the sky will continue to fall and people will say we are making something out of nothing. And then, one day the comics, who have sealed themselves off from their base market, will wither, the prices will skyrocket and one by one...will die. I know because John Byrne told me so over 10 years ago in the back of Next Men. So dont say the sky isnt falling then ask when the JB will pick up Next Men again.
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I'm not sure I see your point, James, since Next Men wasn't a superhero book or an all-ages book.  That's not offered snarkily, I'm just not making the connection.
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Well, that's what confused me too because Batman was anything but drugged in Son of the Demon - which I really liked, by the way.  I even had the print of the cover framed up.

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Don't be naive, the key words here are "drugs" and "rape". Everyone knows that if a writer drops any references to that, it means that he is a big super clever intellectual with a hugest IQ.

Having said that, I still enjoy BatMan and his all stars SuperMan is a blast though I'll never understand why it takes so long to come out. There's barely any backgrounds in it. The characters are super stiff and the staging is pretty 123 fischerprice. So I don't understand why it's not monthly.



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Thomas Moudry
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I've been away for a few days, so I just wanted to reply to initial post, which involved the Morrison interview.

I like his take on Batman and the grim-and-gritty era, which Morrison's Arkham Asylum was very much a part of. I'm glad to see that he's moved past that time period and has sought inspiration from the Barr/Davis Detective Comics run--which was brilliant and too short.
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Patrick Drury
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That's just silly, Patrick.  There's nothing out of the ordinary about clothes, but kids get picked on for what they were all the time.  You honestly can't see a super villain trying to denigrate a hero by any means necessary, even picking on their costume to get under their skin?
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I can see it, but I think it's probably more a reflection of the writer being aware of the costumes than the villains acting like jerks.  But, that's just me projecting onto the writers.
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David Whiteley
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Posted: 26 August 2006 at 5:36pm | IP Logged | 11  

Martin, since you don't like the costumes, why not pass on superheroes altogether to read other comics? There are plenty of great ones out there with adventure and action but no suits.

Mind you, you may be doing just that, just  curious is all.
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As I've said here before, today's "fan's" are no different from the rest of the general public who love to make fun of anything that came before they did, making themselves look cool in the process.  It's pathetic how no retrospective that even mentions the era of the 1970's can refrain from making snotty remarks about bell-bottoms and polyester, for instance. 

I believe it was a recent issue of Back Issue magazine that I was reading that had an article about Supergirl and beneath a picture of Kara wearing her 1980's costume with the headband, there was a photo of Olivia Newton-John from the Physical album also wearing a headband.  The copy betweent he pictures stated in a condescending way that Olivia's look had influenced Supergirl's costume.  Once again, demeaning something from the past that wasn't considered dorky or stupid at the time at all.  Besides, has the writer of the article never seen the pre-crisis version of Krypton, where headbands were a common fashion?  If so, maybe he isn't the person who should be writing the article, huh?    

I think that Morrison thinks that superhero costumes are silly looking and he has repeatedly voiced this opinion through the character's voices.  This is almost the same thing as when writers insist on putting their political beliefs in comics the same way.  Paul Jenkins lost me as a reader forever when he had Spider-Man refer to Captain America as "the jarhead from another era".  Anyway you look at it, it's disrespecting the characters and all that has gone before.  And to some of you out there, that doesn't matter.  But to many of us, it does.

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