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David Whiteley
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Thanks for clarifying.
You're right about the sky not falling. After all, no one is forced at gunpoint to purchase his work. However, it surprises me that editors would hire him and allow him to mock the genre like that - or that Morrison was allowed to in New X-Men.
And it surprises me that any professional would feel the need to put digs in like that. If you don't enjoy the genre, don't work in it. If you have no choice but to work in it, whether for money or for name recognition, show some respect for the genre and its fans.
Edited to add: I know, this point has been made before and by better writers than me, but it was more of a reaction to the "molehill" comment.
Edited by David Whiteley on 26 August 2006 at 2:05pm
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James Revilla
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I disagree...the sky is indeed falling. Worse and worse comic books are being put out for older and older auidences making the characters, which were once all ages, now completely different entites altogether. And as long as they hire people who dont respect the damn genre, the sky will continue to fall and people will say we are making something out of nothing. And then, one day the comics, who have sealed themselves off from their base market, will wither, the prices will skyrocket and one by one...will die. I know because John Byrne told me so over 10 years ago in the back of Next Men. So dont say the sky isnt falling then ask when the JB will pick up Next Men again.
Edited by James Revilla on 26 August 2006 at 2:40pm
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Marcus Hiltz
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Pages too late but...
I never saw Buddy's discomfort in costume to be mocking super-heroes. I just saw it as Buddy's discomfort with not having the suped-up physique of your typical hero so he wore the jacket to cover up his shortcomings. Just one of many touches that seperated Animal Man from most other comics out at that time.
I thought Morrison treated Animal Man with a great deal of affection.
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Jani Evinen
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I agree with Marcus.I love Morrisons Animal Man. Has been fun to read about him in 52.
Edited by Jani Evinen on 26 August 2006 at 3:11pm
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Vinny Valenti
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"for although [Batman] had already had his
eye on Dick for months as a potential recruit, his hand has been forced by
the murder of the young boy's parents"
I still have a problem with this, though. Why the hell would he be interested in recruiting a 12-year-old prior to the incident at the circus? As far as I know, Miller hasn't explained this yet (thanks to the shoddy release schedule), but I don't think I will care for the answer either way. Not that I'll be buying it, anyway....
The original version made perfect sense to me - Grayson convinced Batman to let him join his crusade, filled with anguish over his parents' death - something Batman was able to relate to. Take that out and the recruitment makes no sense.
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Mike Norris
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I would think Batman was impressed by the kid's skill as an acrobat.
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Vinny Valenti
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I'm guessing that's what he's going for, too. But, is that enough to want to recruit him? I feel that the death of Dick's parent was a vital ingredient. Almost to the point that I wonder if Miller's Batman "allowed" Dick's parents to die in order to
get him to join up.
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Matt Linton
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I don't really have a problem with a Batman who understands that the need to fight crime in Gotham will have to continue long after he's gone, so the idea that he'd be looking at potential recruits makes sense. Unfortunately, the books started over a year ago, and the pacing is way too slow, so we still don't know where Miller's going with this.
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Stanton L. Kushner
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Couple of instances = mindreading. Constant repetition = recognizable pathology.
Don't make me bring in the dog again.
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There's a dog? Crap! There really ought to be a sign.
I'm guessing we have different ideas about the phrase "constant repetition". If pressed I could probably point to 4-5 little comments in Morrison's work over the years. Granted I haven't read everything he's written, so maybe I missed it. I've noticed the trend over the years, but honestly it's never struck me as anything other than a side-joke that he has used a few times too many. I'm really not prepared to infer from that that he must hate superheroes, especially when he does things like the Bat-flying saucer. I mean c'mon.. it's the Bat-flying saucer! Played straight!
How can anyone really dislike the Bat-flying saucer?
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Stanton L. Kushner
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Does anyone in the real world mock the athletes for the "costumes"/uniforms they wear? Of course not. Sure, if an athlete was standing in a grocery line in full uniform, he would get weird looks, but while said athlete is in his world, his element, doing his job, no one points out that they are dressed different than the norm.
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Ever watch a basketball game from before, say, about 1990 with your wife/ girlfriend? Every single time something like that is on ESPN Classic my wife points out how silly the short shorts look.
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Ian Evans
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And that would apply to any fashion worn before 1994 or so,whatever the functionality...so it affects the substantive point not at all
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John Byrne
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Does anyone in the real world mock the athletes for the "costumes"/uniforms they wear? Of course not. Sure, if an athlete was standing in a grocery line in full uniform, he would get weird looks, but while said athlete is in his world, his element, doing his job, no one points out that they are dressed different than the norm. +++ Ever watch a basketball game from before, say, about 1990 with your wife/ girlfriend? Every single time something like that is on ESPN Classic my wife points out how silly the short shorts look. *** Which proves what? I don't recall anyone thinking they were "silly" at the time. This pointless back and forth and relentless, deliberate missing of the point is making me wish there was an "ignore" button for whole threads!
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