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Roger Jackson
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Posted: 25 August 2006 at 8:59pm | IP Logged | 1  

And as far as mocking goes, I think I remember an early X-men where a security guard sees Magneto and asks if the circus is in town. Or, there's an early Spider-Man issue where the Circus of Crime kicks out the Ringmaster. They decide that they need a new name for their group. Someone says, "Well, just don't pick a name like Avengers. What a cornball moniker THAT is!"

Please, these are laffbooks, not holy text! Have some fun!


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Morrison intends for his Batman to be well-adjusted and heroic.  Sounds like he has more respect for Batman than Frank Miller has shown in All-Star Batman for the same character.   And more than the guys who wrote the "War Crimes" story that had a long-time supporting character kill a hero to prove a point, which resulted in Batman  . . . capturing his former friend and bringing her to justice?  No.  Letting her go.

I'll take a Batman who makes a wry comment to Gordon anyday over one who calls a just orphaned boy a "retard" or lets a murderer go because she used to be his friend.





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Roger Jackson
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Miller was great once upon a time, but he has no idea how to write Batman now (his old stuff was better), even thought he wrote the classic Batman Year one and Dark Knight---Robin as a serial killer, lopping off heads? Batman telling Dick (after kidnapping him) to eat rats if he's hungry? FEH! Give me Morrison any day!

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I don't know whether or not SON OF THE DEMON is currently considered "canon", but if this newly-revealed child of Bruce and Talia's was in fact conceived in that graphic novel, then his conception took place within an actual marriage.  Both Bruce and Talia considered their marriage to be real and binding at the time.

Now, if Mike W. Barr made a mistake, that's an editorial decision.  But in the story that I just re-read last week, that baby was the product of a husband and a wife.

 

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Roger Jackson
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If they said Son of the Demon was out of continuity, does that make it an imaginary story? Aren't they all? ;)
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Having enemies mock the name of a superhero group doesn't seem quite as damning as having the heroes mock their own conventions themselves. 
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Miller is still great. I'm not happy about TDKSA and ASBMAR but he's still got some damned good stuff.
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OK, so the 'Blazing Saddles' analogy may have fallen a bit flat, but what
about 'Unforgiven'? Does Clint Eastwood hate Westerns, because both
Munny and Little Bill relentlessly pour scorn on the notion of the heroic
gunslinger? I think 'Unforgiven' falls short of being a pure
deconstruction, since many of its pleasures are shared with the genre as a
whole. It's just a different angle, which is what I think Morrison brings
too.

I certainly accept that cosumes, never ageing and implausible powers are
integral to the superhero genre, and thus shoud be embedded in the
world the characters live in to such an extent that they go unremarked.
Even in this context, I think that for everyone to ignore completely the
inherent absurdities of superheroes stretches credibility too far - we need
to accept that Batman's costume inspires fear in the DC Universe, even
though we as readers know it looks rather silly, and I actally think it
makes everything more believable if occasionally an in-universe character
notices this too - especially after being poisoned by the Joker. Humans
of my acquaintance find absudity and humour in the most deadly serious
things in the real world, why wouldn't Jim Gordon?

The Beast/Wolverine exchange was however appalling, and I'd agree that
it was totally out of character, insofar as either character has any kind
distinct character after decades of conflicting writers. I just don't think
that an early misstep should be seen to characterise a creator's entire
output.

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It's interesting to see just how many people completely ignore the times Stan Lee wrote "jibes" such as Morrison is alleged to have done.  Those Silver Age Marvels are jam-packed with comments like that.  Unfortunately what we have here is a number of people who take superheroes TOO seriously, and have become bitter and defensive.

I didn't like Morrison's early work, but I've watched him mature as a writer and really create good material.







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John Mietus
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Miller has always been great.

And one of the things he's always been great about is missing the point of
Batman entirely.
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I have to be "in-the-know" as to the fact that Morrison's making jokes in his interviews?

Ultimately, I think it's a bit of mind-reading to say he's kidding around, or being tongue-in-cheek. How do you know?

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I don't know Morrison's comments are tounge-in-cheek, however I think they are based on a couple of reasons.

The first is the language - "graphic novel nonsense" and the quote from earlier about the opponent being tougher, and younger, and did he mention tougher.  Little things like that don't read, to me at least, like someone taking the interview as seriously as some of you seem to think he is.

Secondly, and this isn't something you could see unless you have seen more of his interviews, I read an interview with him recently where he states his supposed animosity with other creators is a bit of theatre.  Something for the fans to talk about, while the creators are in on it.

I'm not saying Frank Miller is "in" on this joke, just that those are the reasons I see the comments as tounge-in-cheek.

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do think that his "less than serious" jibes at JB's Doom Patrol had no sales effect on it?

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Haven't read the comments or comics in question so I can't say.  Point me in their direction and I'll give you an answer (the comments that is).

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 Roger Jackson wrote:
Miller was great once upon a time, but he has no
idea how to write Batman now...Batman telling Dick (after kidnapping
him) to eat rats if he's hungry?


In All*Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder, Batman does not
kidnap the newly orphaned Dick, but rescues him from the
murderous clutches of the corrupt GCPD. As to eating rats, Batman is
testing Dick's resolve and character, for although he had already had his
eye on Dick for months as a potential recruit, his hand has been forced by
the murder of the young boy's parents, so he is proving the boy's physical
and mental toughness in a time of extreme crisis.
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