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Ted Pugliese Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 05 December 2005 Location: United States Posts: 7985
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Posted: 26 July 2006 at 9:04pm | IP Logged | 1
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I like that Chuck Dixon more and more...
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Frank Lauro Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 27 February 2006 Posts: 1461
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Posted: 26 July 2006 at 9:09pm | IP Logged | 2
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I'm trying to think of a single thing that Chuck Dixon has ever written that didn't impress me. I'm not having much luck.
Thank you, Mr. Dixon, for that post. Incredibly informative and insightful (and, of course, right). How do you do that every time, man?
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Ted Pugliese Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 26 July 2006 at 9:14pm | IP Logged | 3
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Well, Frank, he is a writer...
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Paul Greer Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 26 July 2006 at 9:14pm | IP Logged | 4
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I'm not trying to jump on the bandwagon, but Chuck isn't saying anything that I don't agree with about comics today. I'm glad he is hanging out on this forum. I don't frequent other comic forums, but I did check out Chuck's the entire week JB was on vacation.
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Brandon Pennison Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 June 2006 Location: United States Posts: 472
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Posted: 27 July 2006 at 8:01am | IP Logged | 5
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Chuck is and always will be one of my favorite writers and I am very glad he posts on and reads this forum.
When Asonishing X-Men started a few years ago, a friend of mine, who doesn't collect comics but always went to the shop with me and another friend who did collect, decided he would pick this series up since it was just starting. He has been with the book and read it and only has to keep up with one book (not 15-20 like most of us read) and he cannot remember what happened in the last issue when a new one decides to come out. Of course, I can't either. When someone is reading a comic book and cannot remember what happened in the last issue and for that matter cannot remember when the last issue came out even, that is a problem. Of course the book is great once it is in the can, but as a real comic fan who reads monthly books, it is unacceptable. I would rather see writers and artists who can maintain a monthly schedule get work first and special projects that are not monthly or numbered books going to these casual pros.
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Ted Downum Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2380
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Posted: 27 July 2006 at 8:33am | IP Logged | 6
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Thanks, Chuck, for that last post. It's always heartening to be reminded that some people in comics still value professionalism and responsibility. Also, I'm one more JBF member who's happy to have you here.
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Howard Mackie Byrne Robotics Security
Armed and Dangerous
Joined: 16 February 2005 Posts: 666
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Posted: 27 July 2006 at 9:07am | IP Logged | 7
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<<Maybe if they go back to the Marvel method the writers
could script the books a little faster. It is a crying
shame that an artist (who is known for working slow) is
just waiting for a script to draw, months after the book
was solicited for sale. My head is spinning trying to
understand. I know the guy was sick, but he seems to be
getting his other titles out on time. Maybe the editors
need to stop piling so much work onto a limited amount of
writers. I'm sure there are a few writers on this board
alone that could do the job just as well, and on time.>>
Okay, so I've popped into the middle of this
thread(haven't read many of the previous posts) and I do
not know WHO we are speaking about. But...this posting
jumped out at me. The way I was taught(both as a writer
and an editor) was that it was inexcusable for a artist
to EVER be waiting for a plot. Period. Yes, we fudged the
time a quite a bit, would get the plots to the artist a
day or two BEFORE he finished... but he could never have
an excuse to not be drawing. Honestly, with everything
being done full script(as opposed to the Marvel method)
and with e-mail... I am confused as to how this could
EVER HAPPEN. It's why we used to get fill-in stories
done. I used to tell writers that if they didn't want a
fill-in story written by another writer... write one for
me and we would keep it in the draw.
Again, just me... if I knew so much, etc...
Edited by Howard Mackie on 27 July 2006 at 9:08am
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Chuck Dixon Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 April 2006 Location: United States Posts: 174
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Posted: 27 July 2006 at 9:48am | IP Logged | 8
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You speak words of iron, Howard.
The very thought of an artists sitting waiting for script from me turns my guts to water. I have to confess it's happened to me a few times through scheduling screw-ups. (show of hands, how many here ever worked for Don Daley?) But I moved heaven and earth to get the artist started again THAT DAY. Before the days of email I would phone the artist and describe a three page opening. I'd hang up the phone and get to work on the remainder of the story immediately so there'd be no stall time.
I was once assigned a fill-in story on a popular book because the writer could not make the deadline. I had two days to jump in and write a story featuring a character I was familiar with but had never written myself. Thank God for a news event that prompted an idea for the plot and I had the full script in on time.
I asked the editor what had happened to the regular writer. Illness? Family emergency? Concussion?
I was told that the fill-in was for the NEW writer who had not started his run yet. Why would a writer need a fill-in when he hadn't started his run yet?
"Well, he's not sure what he wants to write about yet."
I'm normally able to supress outrage but couldn't help blurting, "Then why did you give him the book?"
I got the telephonic equivalent of a shrug.
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Robert Last Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 27 July 2006 at 10:05am | IP Logged | 9
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I think there's alot to be said for sending notoriously slow creators out to do real jobs, just to remind them how lucky they are that they don't HAVE to work a 12 hour shift slopping burgers in 40 degree heat, or moving a pile of sand the size of a house eight feet in pouring rain (been there, done that one)
It was Mark Bagley who I remember commenting that he'd had real jobs like the ones I described, and the memory of those times kept him professional (I'm paraphrasing, but that was the jist of it)
Sometimes I think these guys have come straight out of college or university and never done a real days work in their lives...
Oh God, I just became my father :)
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Brandon Pennison Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 June 2006 Location: United States Posts: 472
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Posted: 27 July 2006 at 10:10am | IP Logged | 10
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Even though we are 'preaching to the choir' about professionalism and work ethics, it is still good therapy. Whether we apply this kind of logic to comics or whatever work you do, professionalism and pride in one's work should be what motivates your professional career.
I work in the software industry and missing deadlines is not a good option for a programmer. I also have journalism experience so I certainly can appreciate the stories you guys are sharing.
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Jason Fulton Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 27 July 2006 at 10:12am | IP Logged | 11
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"Well, he's not sure what he wants to write about yet."
Why would someone accept a job under these circumstances? If I hired a guy to paint my house, I sure wouldn't wait around for a week while the guys sits around with his dick in his hand and figures out how he's going to get it done.
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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 133551
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Posted: 27 July 2006 at 10:16am | IP Logged | 12
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Since I just hired someone to paint my house, you
have no idea how much I wish you had chosen
another metaphor!!
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