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Matt Reed
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One story by Ennis does not exclude a long history of interviews saying he hates superheroes, nor his use of Spider-Man in his first PUNISHER run as a punching bag to express just that.  Childish, rude, insulting...and someone that shouldn't be writing the genre if they hate it that much.
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It's probably something that should be added to the Don't list:

- Don't beat up someone else's hero to prove how tough your hero is.

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It is even worse though. He wanted to show how wimpy Spider-man and Wolverine are. It wasn't just "Wow the Punisher is so tough" but these heroes suck.
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Posted: 12 April 2006 at 2:06pm | IP Logged | 4  

Exactly. 

And wasn't there some sort of childish retaliation by the Wolverine creative team against the Punisher?  Talk about idiotic.

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That's... just plain depressing. Worse, apparently M-word's editorial went along with it.
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You can't expect these writers to make a living based solely on the quality of their writing - what would they do without the 'I hate superheroes, and you should to' gimick?
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Yeah, Wolverine beat the heck out of him, really bad, and even make a joke that the Punisher was gay-something along the lines of "Frank, why do you always read so many muscle magazines. The other heroes are talking" to which Punisher was like "Um uh that's not- um."

They both tried the to make the other look totally foolish. I think Wolverine said Canucklehead like 30 times in Ennis's two issues, like a caricature of itself. And when they were beat, they were beat bad.  It was almost like a Tom and Jerry cartoon-or more like Itchy and Scratchy

"Garth had his fun with Wolverine in the pages of PUNISHER. Frank [Tieri] wanted payback," explained WOLVERINE editor Axel Alonso. "Don't worry, it's all in good fun . . . I think."



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Riiiiiiiiight.  This is the same Garth Ennis who had Punisher use Spider-Man as a punching bag, having "his" character wipe the floor with a superhero as an expression of his dislike of mainstream superheroes.  Read to me like he hates them, even though he's oft written them for what can only be a paycheck.
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Three notes about Ennis, and Marvel Superheroes.
1. He wrote a decent three parter for Tangled Web, and captured Peter's high school years/ relationship with Aunt May pretty damn well.
2. His Punisher/ Spider-Man "team-up" worked  (in my opinion) as an example of Spider-Man having a really really bad day.
3. The first issue of his Ghost Rider mini series broke the Top Ten, so there is significant interest in his superhero work.
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I would say he should stick to, at best, characters like Ghost Rider or Punisher.

The Ghost Rider art was pretty nice and unique looking, I didn't pick it up, but that could be part of the reason it sold so well

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Oh, I didn't know it sold a bunch of copies. It must have been a terrific story. The real question - was it 'brill on toast' terrific, or merely 'a crackin good yarn'?
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 Thomas Mets wrote:
Three notes about Ennis, and Marvel Superheroes.
1. He wrote a decent three parter for Tangled Web, and captured Peter's high school years/ relationship with Aunt May pretty damn well.
2. His Punisher/ Spider-Man "team-up" worked  (in my opinion) as an example of Spider-Man having a really really bad day.
3. The first issue of his Ghost Rider mini series broke the Top Ten, so there is significant interest in his superhero work.

First of all, sales don't equal quality nor respect for the genre.  I don't give two shits if sales for X superhero title are through the roof if creator Y treats said character like dirt.  Your constant references to "top 10" this and "sales numbers" that impress me not one whit nor does it go a long way to having any sort of opinion of your own.

The treatment of Spider-Man by Ennis in Punisher didn't work at all.  Not one bit.  Spider-Man's had a ton of "bad days" in his lengthy publishing career.  Hell, that's who Spider-Man/Peter Parker is.  No, it didn't work as a "bad day" story because Ennis wrote Spider-Man so totally out-of-character only so he could show everyone that he hates mainstream superheroes.  Hates them.  He's said as much in interview after interview.  Any writer that uses a character to express his own personal opinion about said character, especially at the expense of the character, shouldn't be writing them.  Period.

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I have a friend who swears by Garth Ennis, I've never read his stuff, so I
can't judge, but for the most part I trust this guys opinion (other than his
bizarre dislike of Alan Moore).
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