Also, this is pretty much re-ordering the Marvel Universe, similar to Crisis I guess, so if you do read Marvel books, the aftermath at least you won't be able to ignore.

I think some heroes will be on the run at the end of this and I guess a new 2nd Avengers team (as well as Alpha Flight and maybe Champions) will emerge from this, and some the status quo of many heroes will be affected. It isn't everything goes back to normal at the end.  I believe Millar when he says this-the whole tone and status quo of most of it will change by the end of the year.

and there is still the one major (one that we thought could not be done) and one minor genie to be put back in the bottle by the end of the year Quesada talked about which may or may not tie in, plus the persistent rumors that the Spider-man marriage will be affected by this (not to start this debate again).

I'm just thinking of the Roy Thomas Avenger issues I am now reading.  Sometimes the male characters are downright rude and nasty to each other, more than I would say I see now, mostly. and Pietro is again on one of his anti-human, Magneto was right tears.  I don't mean fun feuds like Torch and Thing or Torch and Spider-man. I mean like these rapper wars-Hawkeye bumps into Goliath and they call each other out and try to beat the crap out of each other.

Of course it doesn't last long, since so much is crammed into these issues, but it is happening every issue, sometimes several times an issue. Like a testosterone overload.  Doesn't happen with Wanda and Wasp since as we are repeatedly reminded "thou are just a female" and hence lack the testosterone.

(1) You come from screen writing, and think writing comics is just the same.

You have a valid point but then lots of artists can move freely between screen and comic, John. Frank Miller for one, Paul Dini and Bruce Timm, Geoff Johns, Mark Waid, Neil Gaiman just because you can't doesn't mean you should bitch.

(2) You think the civilian guise is much more interesting than the superhero.

It is, it's the equal of the hero it's what makes the hero character interesting that coflict between the alter ego and the civilian identity. That's why when Marvel actually did something with this concept (Spider-man) back in the 60's they invented modern comics. Hell considering you can't get any drama from a Superman fight since he always wins his civilian life is by default always more interesting and during the top selling Supes days most stories were about the Clark/Supes conflcit and Lois trying to find out his secret identity.

(3) You think having superheroes say "fuck" is "sophisticated".

Nice straw man argument there. I'm not even going to dignify it with a response.

(4) You think being assigned to a long established title is an automatic mandate to blow everything up and start over.

OH COME ON YOU MONSTROUS HYPOCRITE!  How the hell can you say this with a straight face!

(5) You think the characters should serve your stories, not the other way 'round.

Depends if they're pre-existing characters or not. And again Bryne you are the ret-con king here you change characters all the time.

(6) You think Batman is "crazy".

Well he does have mental problems yeah.

(7) You think Superman is a "boy scout".

This I agree on.

(8) You use the characters and stories as therapy.

So wait, putting parts of yourself into a work is a bad thing? John I think I've got, oooh hundreds of years of literary criticism that would disagree.

(9) You pepper your stories with "jokes" (usually at the expense of the characters) to amuse your fanboy friends.

Because god knows you can never, ever use fourth wall humour in a book, right my John "Sensational She-Hulk" Bryne.

ass

(10) You've "always" thought superheroes were stupid (and have often said so), but they sell better than your own comics, so you're in it for the money.

Okay I agree here and this is why I tend to avoid Ellis's uper-hero work (unless he is actually mocking them à la Authority and NEXTWAVE!!!) but you're still an ass.

I didn't write this.  But the man who did write it can't post it because he uses hotmail for his email address.  I don't read comics enough to comment on any of this, I merely speak for a forum that dislikes you.  *bows*