QUOTE: When I was in a summer resort in Italy with 3 friends, all tall, tan and blonde (I'm tall, but pasty-white with brown hair), every time we ventured outside we kept hearing whispers of "Baywatch!"

From the only "Baywatch" Italian fans, probably, 'cause that show is not so popular here!

About AF... I never liked that super team, except for Guardian, but I'm sorry for their death. They weren't worse than other characters.

Chuck

Thank you for the pic. It is Fab. JB, although you don't care less, I care about the characters you created. I took those 28 issues out of the attic and read them back to back last night (I'm wrecked now) and you really made me 'feel' something for these characters. You made the Flight for me.

I agree with the thread in general..using Alpha Flight as canon foder, much like the Freedom Fighters, is pretty shit. God, how I loathe the New Avengers. Kurt, George, come home and sort it!!

And as for Sue dying...let her stay dead if she is dead. Still think Jean coming back was a disaster. And I remember Reed dying some time back. Groundhog day hits the Marvel universe.

QUOTE: Whatever you say about New Avengers, this is much better scripted by Bendis than any AF stories since 20 years, and much much much better drawned by Mc Niven than anything since JB's version.

Steven Seagle did a perfectly fine job on the late 90's Alpha Flight. Even after Mr.Byrne left there were some writers who got it right.

Okay now that everyone has condemned what M***** did to "Alpha Flight" in the pages of New Avengers, I would highly recommned that we all take a look at Scott Lobdell's final issue of All-New, All-Different Alpha Flight.

**SPOILERS**

The Alpha Flight team we saw axed in New Avengers was NOT our Alpha Flight.

At the end of ANAD Alpha Flight #12, the original and still the best AF (JB's AF) went into outer space to remove the Plodex Eggs from Earth. The Alpha Flight that remained came out of Shaman's medicine pouch and remained to serve while the real JB Alpha Flight was out in space.  

I believe, as do many who actually read the latest 12 issue series, that the end with two Alpha Flight teams was an editorial decision to correct the cold response that fans gave Lobdell's 'All-New' team.

While it is clear in his writing that Lobdell has a great appreciation for and understanding of the original (JB) Alpha Flight, his use of the original team and their history as support for a new one (intended to later spin off the original AF as 'Uncanny Alpha Flight' and have two AF books published by M*****) simply didn't work.

Lobdell's experiment failed with AF fans because we wanted to see what we love, the original AF!

And besides his brilliant use of Nemesis (who is by far one of the most bad-ass characters to grace the Marvel universe) as well as Mar, Marrina's 'son', there was nothing to get excited about in 'All-New AF'.

I predict that Joe Q and Bendis will bring us the original Alpha Flight within the next year or so. I only hope that they read JB's 28 issue run and take Lobdell's appreciation of AF history before they do so.   

For me, Alpha Flight was sort-of fun.  I was more of a fan of the individual characters, especially Puck, Sasquatch and Aurora.  I thought Diamond Lil was cool, too.

But ultimately, I never really cared about the team that much.

As far as Jean Grey coming back form the dead being a good idea or a bad one ... I think that Marvel pretty much screwed that pooch like they have everything else in the past few years.

I think that Scott Summers dumping his wife because Jean came back from the dead was a serious character departure.  (But then, having Madeline Summers be Jean's twin -- or whatever -- was stupid enough.)

Scott Summers -- the most responsible and honorable X-man of all of them -- may have had some doubts about his marriage, but he would have stayed true to his commitment.  When they turned Madeline into some baby-eating witch from another dimension -- or whatever she turned out to be -- to clear the decks for Scott and Jean's resurrection, I was already gone out of the X-men, and just about out of comics altogether.