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Ian Carroll
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Yes, current management has done sooo much to earn the benefit of the
doubt!

I do give Millar credit for his great taste in back issues, though. Just wish
it had rubbed off on his own contribution to the mythos a little more! (I
own the Ultimates hardcover and found the characters pretty
unsympathetic compared to the source material.)
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Am I the only one who find Millar's stuff be be really unpleasant?  His "heroes" tend to be really unsympathetic and in some cases downright unlikable, his writing has a really dark, nihilistic streak that just doesn't sit well with a characters like Captain America and it's all just a bit, well, samey. 

His characters all tend to have that same, smart arse arrogant voice so that it's really difficult to tell who is speaking and he has no differentiation.  His 12 issue Spider-Man arc had the character really sounding off (yet Stan Lee loved it, so what do I know?) and his Wolverine arc was a real, prime example of long and padded rather than slow burn.  His tendancy to lean towards "Shock Value" bugs me as well.  Mostly I've generally been dissapointed with anything he's written apart from an excellent issue of Superman Adventures that was 22 stories in 22 pages.  That was a great issue.

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Robert Cooke
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"His characters all tend to have that same, smart arse arrogant voice so that it's really difficult to tell who is speaking and he has no differentiation.  His 12 issue Spider-Man arc had the character really sounding off (yet Stan Lee loved it, so what do I know?)..."

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You know, sometimes I wonder about Stan. I may be wrong. He maybe being totally sincere, but it seems like for the last few years he says he loves everything I have ever heard him asked about. Sometimes I think it may be PR or business, in my own mind at least.

 

 



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Rob Hewitt
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Am I the only one who find Millar's stuff be be really unpleasant?

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Here is my grade

Marvel Knights Spider-man B

Wolverine A-

Ultimates vol. 1 B

Ultimates Vol. 2 B+

I don;t know what else he has written

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Jason Schulman
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Millar's Superman: Red Son is excellent.

Millar runs hot and cold with me. The stuff by him that I like is usually the most most "restrained" and least "shocking." (I picked up the first issue of Wanted and said "nope, sorry, not for me, reads like a Fight Club rip-off.)

I've heard great things about his Swamp Thing run.
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Millar's "Superman Adventures" are fun.

I haven't really gotten into anything by him since.

I might flip thru his version of Alpha Flight, but I shouldn't expect to buy
it.
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Darragh Greene
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Y'know, if Alpha Flight is relaunched, it might be accompanied by an
Essential volume.
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Andrew Hess
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And THAT would be the best thing that comes of the series.
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Lannie Brockstein
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If the Alpha Flight team that died in the latest issue of The New Avengers was actually a 2nd Alpha Flight team from the 1st Alpha Flight team's past, then wouldn't that team's death have the consequence of causing the current 1st Alpha Flight team to cease to exist, in a kind of opposite manner of dying to the way that JB's Flashback character would have supposedly later experienced due to events in AF#28 when one of his future selves died?

 



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David Blot
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Darragh wrote :
Y'know, if Alpha Flight is relaunched, it might be accompanied by an
Essential volume.

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And with some luck in only one volume we could have all and only
Byrne's Alpha Flight issues.
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Here is my grade

Marvel Knights Spider-man B
Wolverine A-
Ultimates vol. 1 B
Ultimates Vol. 2 B+

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I really like Millar's stuff, so my grades are much higher. And I've read more of his stuff.
Superman Adventures A-
Authority #13-16 A+
Authority #17-20 A
Authority #22, 27-29 B
Ultimate X-Men Volume 1 A
Ultimate X-Men Volume 2 A-
Ultimate X-Men Volume 3 A-
Ultimate X-Men Volume 4 B
Ultimate X-Men Volume 5 (the Ultimate War crossover) A
Ultimate X-Men Volume 6 (Return of the King) A-
The Ultimates A+
MK Spider-Man A+
MK Wolverine A+
Ultimates 2.0 A+ (I believe it's the best new work I've seen from Marvel since I've been reading comics.)
The Unfunnies #1 D
Trouble #1-3 C
Wanted A-
Chosen A
Ultimate Fantastic Four Annual 1 B
Ultimate Fantastic Four: Crossover A
Utlimate Fantastic Four: Tomb of Namor A+
Superman: Red Son A
Ultimate Fantastic Four Volume 1 (cowritten w/ Bendis) A- (and more for the gorgeous Kubert art)
So I'm really looking forward to his relaunch of Alpha Flight, which could easily be the best work anyone has done with the series, since JB admits it's not his best work, and the early Alpha Flight issues in the Claremont- Byrne run of Uncanny X-Men, while excellent have justly been forgotten in favor of better known, and simply better stories (their one X-Men VS Magneto tale, The Hunt for Mutant X, Wolverine VS The Hellfire Club, Dark Phoenix, and Days of Future Past.)


I would however love to see an Essential volume with Byrne's entire run of Alpha Flight. The Essential Volumes have gotten better in including entire epic storylines.


Something from the Neal Adams/ Jim Steranko/ Jim Lee panel at the New York City Comic-Con
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Someone asks what they think of lazy storytelling, such as New Avengers #16, where Page 1 shows Alpha Flight ready to battle, and Page 2 shows them dead (without a kick-ass beautifully drawn final battle). Neal Adams says it doesn't matter, because they're not dead. He relates how his son ran to him saying "Dad, Dad, Bendis is the worst writer ever, he killed Alpha Flight!" He asked his son if he really thought Alpha Flight was dead, and his son said "I don't know dad, they look pretty dead to me."

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we could have all and only Byrne's Alpha Flight
issues.

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That would require than the usual (?) 20 issues per.
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