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John Mietus
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Stephen Robinson wrote:
You can't ignore that Peter is married (a situation
that is unfixable unless Mary Jane is revealed to be a clone) or that Aunt May
knows his identity. These are drive-by violations of the character. |
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Well said, Stephen.
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Michael Roberts
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"Again: Mary Jane should have been the clone. You solve everything
there. Put Peter back in college and never mention his age or marriage
again and just start writing him as a teen."
Come to think of it, that's what they effectively did with Johnny Storm.
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Victor Manuel Fernandez Patiño
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And I'm sure something like this could bring back that great character:
Spider-Man!
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Rob Hewitt
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But if Mary Jane is the clone, so what? Doesn't he still love her, clone or not? She still is a person he has been with for a long time
and if she died, he is a widower
and if he divorced the clone, he still is divorced.
and you would still have a problem of alienating the many fans who like Mary Jane, consider her important to the mythos, and named her best supporting character for so many years
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Jay Matthews
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Yeah, but hot clone sex.
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Andrew W. Farago
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I would not be at all surprised that if you took a poll
you'd find a majority of Spider-Man readers (even in
today's ariticially shrunken audience) who think the
marriage "Doesn't Work"
I think you're wrong on that. The marriage has been
part of the comics for just about 20 years now, and
sales (relative to the rest of the comics industry,
sure) have been pretty solid on Spider-Man titles
throughout the past two decades.
Spider-Man's marital status didn't bother me back in
the late 1980s, since the stories were still
well-drawn, Spider-Man was having fun doing his
thing, he had enough stress at work and with his
family that you could relate to him...as long as the
stories were good, that's all I cared about. The rest
was just details.
Spider-Man was older than me when I started
reading comics, and when you're in elementary
school, high school, college and adulthood all seem
pretty far away, so it didn't make any difference to me
whether he was married, going back and forth
between Betty and Veronica or hustling to get his
kids to soccer practice on time.
Peter was such a miserable sad sack the last time
they split him up from Mary Jane that things became
a lot worse than they'd ever been during the
marriage. He moped around all the time, lost his job
and his apartment, and was pretty depressing to
read about. Maybe his life shouldn't be a bed of
roses, but when you feel the need to cry yourself to
sleep after reading a typical issue, something's
gone too far the other way.
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Michael Roberts
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I'm also thinking that they missed an opportunity during House of M. They could have brought Gwen back to life and negated his marriage, restoring him to a single man caught in a love triangle. It's no more stupid than "The Other" storyline, and no more icky than the idea that Peter prefers his dead girlfriend to his wife.
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Mike Bunge
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"I think you're wrong on that. The marriage has been
part of the comics for just about 20 years now, and
sales (relative to the rest of the comics industry,
sure) have been pretty solid on Spider-Man titles
throughout the past two decades."
Uh, 20 years takes us back to 1986. Sales on AMAZING SPIDER-MAN were at least about 3 times higher than they are today, and there were multiple Spider-books then so you can't argue that the audience is just more spread out now. And while the sales of everything have fallen, Spider-Man has fallen harder than most. According to THE STANDARD CATALOG OF COMIC BOOKS, an early 1980s issue of AMAZING SPIDER-MAN sold about 50 thousand more copies a month than DETECTIVE COMICS and BATMAN combined. Spider-Man (much like the X-Franchise) has lost that fanbase that used to clearly elevate it from other books.
As for Mary Jane, I'm not saying people don't like her or want her to go away. But considering the age of comic readers today and the amount of older Spider-material available to younger readers, it wouldn't surprise me if a majority wished that the old status quo could return somehow. Not a burning, urgent desire perhaps...but still some recognition of what was lost with the marriage.
Mike
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Victor Manuel Fernandez Patiño
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Quick question:
Why everybody seems to have just two solutions for the marriage of PP and
MJ, death or divorce?
It may never happened...
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Joe Zhang
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Because Spider-Man is one of the premiere characters in American
comics, it's the bell-weather for the entire industry. So you can't
really compare its sales to YetAnotherSuperheroMan for an indication of
how well its doing. You have to compare sales of Amazing to its performance of previous years.
Edited by Joe Zhang on 05 January 2006 at 10:23am
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Roger A Ott II
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Andrew W. Farago: The marriage has been part of the comics for just about 20 years now, and sales (relative to the rest of the comics industry, sure) have been pretty solid on Spider-Man titles throughout the past two decades.
So, are you saying that the reason Spider-Man titles have done well in the past 20 years is because he was married? Preposterous, I say. I'd be willing to wager that sales would be just as good or possibly better if Mary Jane had stuck with the original "No!' she exclaimed when Peter proposed.
I know I continued to buy the comics for many years after the marriage because I still liked the character of Spider-Man and his awesome gallery of villains, but I never have cared for the married bit at all.
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Thomas Mets
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Quick question:
Why everybody seems to have just two solutions for the marriage of PP and
MJ, death or divorce?
It may never happened..
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There's really no other way to end a marriage.
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