"Sales of Marvel Knights Spider-Man were worse than the sales of the last (pre- "Gathering of the Five") issues of Sensational Spider-Man, or issues of Webspinners, or Tangled Web? I call bullshit."

Ah, you might be right about the anthology series.  The last pre-Other issue of Marvel Knights Spider-Man, #18, sold less than 48 thousand copies, according to publicly available sales figures.  That's down from over 68 thousand copies for MKSM #8.  So it might not have been the lowest, but it was on the way there.

Mike

He's got a lot of devoted fans who were there in the beginning. He also has a lot of controversy lately on this board with All-Star Batman. 

I have no emotional attachment, since I came AFTER those FM stories. Seeing them from a later perspective, I have a different POV then many here, who saw it from an unfolding perspective.

The last pre-Other issue of Marvel Knights Spider-Man, #18, sold less than 48 thousand copies, according to publicly available sales figures.  That's down from over 68 thousand copies for MKSM #8. 

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Because it was pretty bad.  Before THE OTHER, it was just not good at all-and I mean competent.  Even though Black Panther was good.  I'll leave THE Other out of it, since I don't know how much was him.  I felt, from a writing perspective  though, Hudlin's parts were the weakest

Victor:Your argument falls apart when you realise that during Millar's run on Daredevil that Roger Stern was doing fantastic work on Amazing.
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Recently I dug out my old Amazing issues starting with 238 and the first appearance of the Hobgoblin. It wasn't as good as I remembered it to be so I gave up and put them away. Howeve I promise tomorrow I will go in the loft and dig out a bunch of ol' Spidey stories - Stern/Romita Jr, Defalco/Frenz and De Matteis/Buscema being some of them - and re-read. This thread has whetted my appetite for more Spidey action. Perhaps my memory of Spider-Man during the 80s is a little hazy.

<<I see (Frank Miller) changing a lot about Daredevil the person-and
incidentally making far more changes to Karen Page then JMS made to
Gwen Stacy.>>

You're joking, right?
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Junkie ex-porn star who sold DD's identity to his worst enemy for a fix of drugs. Originally? Demure Law Secretary in love with the hero

Girl who, out of the blew, slept with the father of Peter's best friend (who was his worst enemy, but she didn't know that).  Orginally? ABout as sweet, if a bit whiny, as sweet can be. (oK, not the Ditko issues so much, she had more sass then).

Say you are Peter Parker and Matt Murdock.  I mean, they both kind suck, but the former seems more extreme than the latter. The latter seems forgivable.

Yeah, I'm not quite sure you've read a lot of pre-Miller DD, Rob

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That may be the problem.  I have read several years worth, but not the immediate Pre-Miller stuff (none of that seems to be available anywhere).

I'd say about the first 5 years worth or so. Still, longer than Ditko was on Spider-man (and longer than he was 16).