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Simon Abbey Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 13 December 2005 at 4:37pm | IP Logged | 1
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Iron Man, as originally written, is a great choice, but... for his many sterling qualities which I am too tired to review, just now, I would be inclined to chose the Denny O'Neill/Neal Adams Green Arrow as the greatest hero -- if we take as a partial definition of the heroic qualities the ability to recognize ones limitations and surpass them. Iron Man without the wealth, Spider-Man without (most of) the guilt, and no supernatural/superscience powers.
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James Wright Byrne Robotics Member

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I can't disagree with the Iron Man pick. I would give much to have a real Iron Man book published on a regular schedule.
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Eric Lund Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 13 December 2005 at 10:19pm | IP Logged | 3
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Cause someone needs to post a pic of the Golden Avenger!
Edited by Eric Lund on 13 December 2005 at 10:20pm
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Ian Evans Byrne Robotics Member

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My favourite Iron Man cover image from the seventies...Jim Starlin drew some awesome covers
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Ed Deans. Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 December 2005 at 6:14am | IP Logged | 5
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Steve Rogers was heroic, sure but once he became Captain America was he
really all that heroic? Tony, by contrast, has constantly struggled and
frequently emerged heroic in spirit despite flaws in character, in addiction or
in health.
JB's made an outstanding selection that surprised me at first but upon brief
reflect it just seems logical.
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Victor Rodgers Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 December 2005 at 6:27am | IP Logged | 6
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Steve Rogers was heroic, sure but once he became Captain America was he really all that heroic? |
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Of course he was. He constantly risked his life against overwhelming odds, armed only with his shield.
Thats not to take away from Iron Man, because he has constantly battled greater odds, when he really didn't have to. He doesn't fight out of revenge or guilt, he does it because its the right thing to do.
Edited by Victor .R. Rodgers on 14 December 2005 at 6:28am
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Jay Matthews Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 December 2005 at 6:30am | IP Logged | 7
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Eric's post above is my favorite armor. Within the classic red
and gold versions, I think the one without the power pods on the hips
looks a little slimmer and has better lines.
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Roger A Ott II Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 December 2005 at 7:33am | IP Logged | 8
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Grabbed this from comics.org...This is my favorite cover featuring the red and gold suit.

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John Byrne
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Nothing left of JR there, is there?
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Andrew Bitner Byrne Robotics Member

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That cover two posts up is probably my favorite Iron Man cover. Far more than Batman, "suiting up" seems appropriate in an Iron Man story-- maybe it's the resonance with knights putting on platemail.
Capt. America is a heroic figure. Steve Rogers didn't just put on a scalemail shirt and pick up that shield, after all-- he faced hardship and mortal danger every day in WW2 and has every day since then. He hasn't had to overcome the personal crises and weaknesses that Tony Stark did, but he's had his share of ups and downs over the years... just not on the scale of alcoholism, heart problems and losing your billion-dollar business to a hostile takeover.
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Roger A Ott II Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 December 2005 at 8:47am | IP Logged | 11
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JB: Nothing left of JR there, is there?
That's something I've noticed about John Romita Jr's IRON MAN work. His first stint, from issue 115-128 (minus a couple fill-ins, one by you) seemed to have more Layton that Romita, although I think you could still tell JR was there (mostly due to me thinking that Layton's characters always looked stiff back then, which most of this run didn't look that way). His second run, from 140-156, showed a lot more of John Romita Jr as an evolving penciler, and gave up some hints of the IRON MAN work you would do with him starting a hundred and two issues later.
I think I remember reading somewhere that Layton took a larger artistic role during JR's first run because JR was fairly new. I believe IRON MAN was his first regular ongoing penciling gig, wasn't it? Either way, I think they are some great comics!
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Pedro Bouça Byrne Robotics Member

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Always liked Iron Man. One of his qualities is that he is open to A LOT of story possibilities besides the conventional super-hero plots. James Bond-like spy thrillers, SF yarns, political conspiracy plots, high finance backstabbing, even monster stories ("Big lizard demolishing New York? I have a king-size armor here made just for that!") can come naturally to Iron Man, while most other super-heroes would feel out of place!
But I DO feel that Marvel never fulfilled all that potential. Michelinie and Layton came close, as did JB's short (well, at least it felt short to me, I wanted much more!) run.
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