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Andrew Bitner Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 December 2005 at 2:37pm | IP Logged | 1
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me: …it makes better sense if his abilities are largely psionic…
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JB: A bit of trivia -- and not much more than trivia since for the most part, as here, the terms are used interchangably these days -- the term "psi" was coined to cover all the "psychic" gifts people are supposed to have, like telepathy, teleportation, "mind over matter" and such --- while "psionic" (as the name suggests) was coined to describe a machine with such abilities.
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Hadn't heard that before! Hmm. Makes sense. I've also seen "psychotronic" but that's clumsy on the page and in the ear.
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Andrew Bitner Byrne Robotics Member
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JB: "Supervision" is a word that already exists, and has an entirely different meaning.
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"Lois! Come quick! Superman's assigned all of our reporters and photographers, evaluated our interns, spotted sixteen different things we can do to make the Planet a more efficient operation... and he's corrected all of our vouchers for the past year. It's as if he has... supervision!"
Sure would make for a slow and confusing issue of Action...
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John Byrne
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Posted: 10 December 2005 at 7:06pm | IP Logged | 3
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Sure would make for a slow and confusing issue of
Action...
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Or 12 issues of ULTIMATE SUPERMAN.
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Rey Madrinan Byrne Robotics Member
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"Or 12 issues of ULTIMATE SUPERMAN."
JB, don't be absurd.
Thats at least 12 issues and a 6-part tie in mini-series.
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Rick Senger Byrne Robotics Member
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JB said: Along with his other gifts, Superman also possesses super-concentration. He can "focus" his mind so that he shuts out unwanted intrusions, such as would be brought on by his super hearing and super vision.
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I've always been interested in this topic; it seems to me Superman (and the Flash) must process an incredibly large and compressed amount of information owing only to their ability to see at super-speed. Superman obviously has even more distractions with his x-ray vision and super-hearing. Seems like it could be quite a problem requiring amazing discipline and filtering practice. Martin Pasko did a decent subplot on this very topic (cover illo by no less than Garcia Lopez) in the late 70s... Frank Miller did a similar and even more thorough tale during his DAREDEVIL run.
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Wayde Murray Byrne Robotics Member
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Superman's intelligence has to be off the chart based on the amount of information he can process and retain. Jim Starlin touched on this in a Superman/Spectre team-up where Supergirl has been struck so hard by Mongul that she's flying (unconsious) at multiples of lightspeed. Superman stops to calculate the exact trajectory he has to fly in order to intercept her. One can easily imagine this bit of math requiring a Cray super-computer, but Superman manages to perform the calculations without even having to count on his fingers.
Of course his dog Krypto is probably every bit as smart as a very intelligent human being, so why was the Batman always shown as being the brains of the operation in World's Finest?
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Andrew Bitner Byrne Robotics Member
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Intelligence is not one single quality or characteristic, if we can believe the author of Emotional Intelligence. Goleman qualifies intelligence as eight distinct aspects of information retention, retrieval and processing. Superman does not think the same way Batman does; if it were me writing it, I'd suggest that Superman doesn't have the nasty, worst-case-scenario imagination that Batman does.
Besides, if Superman is one half of a team, you have to give the other guy something he does better!
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Rick Senger Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 13 December 2005 at 7:28pm | IP Logged | 8
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Andrew said: ...you have to give the other guy something he does better!
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Right. Likewise, because The Flash is "The Fastest man Alive!" and speed is his only real skill (besides "control over his own molecular structure"), it was only fair that he won the third, and deciding, of those Superman / Flash races of the 60s and early 70s. Ultimately, it seems to me that the greatest enemy of the all-powerful Superman I grew up on is his own complacency (or magic, or kryptonite, or a red sun, or phantom zone villains, or a team-up of his most powerful foes, etc.)
It always struck me as funny that The Justice League regularly LOST battles initially against all-powerful foes (they always ultimately won the rematch) with a roster that should have been utterly unstoppable (GL and Superman alone have about as much muscle and invulnerability as you could need, to say nothing of super-speeding FLASH, World's Greatest Detective Batman, and Wonder Woman, who is also basically invulnerable on her own. I know Aquaman and Green Arrow, Zatanna, Red Tornado and maybe Black Canary are kind of weak links, but be serious... you've got at least two heroes who can travel back in time at the drop of a hat and first sign of trouble. How could the JLA ever do anything but win?
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Wayde Murray Byrne Robotics Member
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Agreed, and I should point out that I always picked the Batman in the schoolyard "Who's better" debate. And of course just because you're smart doesn't make you a detective, so Superman does need the Batman to perform tasks he's not as adept at in spite of his great array of abilities. And I fully agree with JB's "specialist" rule.
That being said, I don't know if the issue of Superman's alien brain and enormous intelligence have ever (or even should ever) been addressed beyond occasional stunts of learning or of recall. To do so runs the risk of (ahem) alienating him from humanity even more than his physical attributes have done, but let's be honest; his intelligence must be orders of magnitude greater than the greatest human mind, and his thought processes very different from ours for that reason alone.
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Rick Senger Byrne Robotics Member
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I'm with you, Wayde. Sometimes it just doesn't seem fair how many gifts Superman has been given, from his super-ventriloquism to his super-cool breath, heat vision, x-ray vision, and super-memory. To say nothing of his ability to perfectly, albeit temporarily, shape-shift his appearance into a yellow alien (I only know of one time he used this chameleon super power... and it was from a 50s reprint where the reprint editor even cited this "super-disguise" power as no longer applicable to him).
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Simon Abbey Byrne Robotics Member
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Rick Senger wrote:
[...]you've got at least two heroes who can travel back in time at the drop of a hat and first sign of trouble. How could the JLA ever do anything but win? |
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On the other hand, how come no one ever notices the cape-bulge of super-hero costumes under civilian clothes, while everybody notices George W. Bush's jacket-bulge? Ehhh... got you there!
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QUOTE:
Superman's intelligence has to be off the chart based on the amount of information he can process and retain. Jim Starlin touched on this in a Superman/Spectre team-up where Supergirl has been struck so hard by Mongul that she's flying (unconsious) at multiples of lightspeed. Superman stops to calculate the exact trajectory he has to fly in order to intercept her. One can easily imagine this bit of math requiring a Cray super-computer, but Superman manages to perform the calculations without even having to count on his fingers.
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This was also very briefly touched on in (of all places) the Supergirl film. Early in the film Kara, while still in in Argo City, mentions that she has trouble doing calculations in her head. Later in a school on earth, she ticks off the long answer to a complicated equation wth no pause whatsoever.
The film didn't explain her power to "morph" her clothes and hair color though!
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