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Steve Horton
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You said Stan was the "scripter for the duration." I disputed that statement. Whether Ditko's role grew toward the end of his run is another thing entirely.
Edited by Steve Horton on 08 December 2005 at 8:58pm
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Victor Rodgers
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Sorry I should have been more clear.
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Thomas Mets
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To be fair Stan admits that he was only the scripter for the duration
of the Ditko run. It was Steve Ditko doing all of the plots.
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Certainly true but we also had many excellent collaborations between
Lee & Romita Sr. And Lee's dialogue/ narration was pretty damn good.
-At work a few weeks ago, I noticed a UMD (video for the PlayStation
Portable) collection of the last Spider-Man cartoon that aired on MTV a
few years back. There was a big sticker on front that said something
like "Not Suitable For Anyone Under 13 Years Old". That blew my mind.
A Spider-Man cartoon that an eight year old couldn't watch? Obviously,
the train has gone off the rails...
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While I would love to see a prime time Spider-Man cartoon for teenagers
& up where events like the Death of Gwen Stacy can be faithfully
adapted, airing that cartoon on MTV was a big mistake for Marvel. MTV
had some really stupid rules such as limiting Jonah's screen time, not
allowing any Aunt May appearances, and replacing the classic
villains with generally lamer new ones.
And Bendis (who had a minor consultant role) has noted that one exec asked if he could not use spiders, as they're icky.
Incidentally "Not Suitable For Anyone Under 13 Years Old" is one
sure way of gettting ten year olds interested in a product, and
appropriate for a series using the characters of a PG-13 movie.
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Darren De Vouge
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| Posted: 08 December 2005 at 9:44pm | IP Logged | 4
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There are certainly some later issues (around # 30-38) that make me
think that Ditko was doing more than the art. For example, some
of the arguments that Peter got into with his friends as a college
student seemed reminiscent of Ditko's work on the Question.
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Thomas Mets
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There are certainly some later issues (around # 30-38) that make me
think that Ditko was doing more than the art. For example, some
of the arguments that Peter got into with his friends as a college
student seemed reminiscent of Ditko's work on the Question.
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Isn't Ditko credited as plotter for issues 25-38?
Edited by Thomas Mets on 08 December 2005 at 10:40pm
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Ronald Pegram
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This whole evolution thing makes me feel so weird...
A few years ago, I had this idea for a character named 'The Recluse'.
Basically, he was a tragic 'Spider-man' but more like a spider in that
his main 'powers' were his webbing and venom. He wasn't very strong or
energetic but could engage in short bursts of speed. The main theme
with the Recluse was that he wanted to be a hero but his 'powers' (the
'venom' with which he could attack) were exceedingly dangerous and he
was more suited to being a villian than anything else. Like his
namesake, The Recluse could produce a deadly venom, but in comic-book
fashion, he could hurl it at foes. The problem was that this venom
would maim or kill humans in acidic fashion and, try as he might, The
Recluse couldn't learn to use if safely without burning people up.
In my write-up, The Recluse sought out Spider-man for training and, in
dealing with a tragic figure like The Recluse, the readers would learn
just how heroic Spider-man really is. The basic twist to my story was
that rather than build 'The Recluse' up because he is so dangerous,
Spider-man convinced him that being a hero wasn't about being lethal but being able to help others.
Because The Recluse had some measure of nobility, he decided to hang up
the tights before he hurt someone. In my story, I'd reckoned that The
Recluse would always be around if needed, but the circumstances would
have to be pretty dire for him to risk killing someone, even a villian
in a gruesome way. Rather than make a new Venom-type character, the
Recluse would put the safety of others over being a bad-ass but he only
came to that conclusion after having Spider-man, a hero whose life has
been threatened countless times, explain what being a hero really was.
Now, Spider-man basically is The Recluse.
Damn shame...
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John Byrne
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-At work a few weeks ago, I noticed a UMD (video for the PlayStation Portable) collection of the last Spider-Man cartoon that aired on MTV a few years back. There was a big sticker on front that said something like "Not Suitable For Anyone Under 13 Years Old". That blew my mind. A Spider-Man cartoon that an eight year old couldn't watch? Obviously, the train has gone off the rails... ***** Not familiar with the cartoon, but as a general point of reference there is something worth considering: what we think of as "comicbook violence" -- the kinds of "action" we see in these here comicbooks all the time -- becomes something else entirely when animated or translated to live action. A Thing/Hulk battle, for instance, which in comics is a bunch of still pictures with KA-BLAM and SPOW and KRAKOW witten on them can become something super (no pun) intense when it is "real", even if that "reality" is still composed of drawings. It is almost certainly the violence and "intense action" that nets that cartoon such a warning label ----- unless Peter and Mary Jane are gettin' it on, which takes us to a whole 'nother place!
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Joe Smith
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Dude..the Powerpuff Girls movie was NONSTOP fighting and yelling.
My parent friends were shocked at the violence.
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Matt Reed
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Thomas Mets wrote:
| Incidentally "Not Suitable For Anyone Under 13 Years Old" is one sure way of gettting ten year olds interested in a product, and appropriate for a series using the characters of a PG-13 movie. |
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It's one thing to get kids enticed to see something, be it a television show, a movie or a video game. It's another thing entirely to gear what you are producing to an older audience but use a warning label to entice younger people to try it out. That's just wrong on so many levels as to make me think that you don't understand the character even more than I already believe, no matter how many times you say he's your favorite.
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Arvid Spejare
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I've only seen a couple of episodes of the MTV series, but I can't recall it having any more "mature" (not the most appropriate word, but I can't think of a better one right now) content than Batman TAS.
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Gregg Allinson
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While I would love to see a prime time Spider-Man cartoon for teenagers & up where events like the Death of Gwen Stacy can be faithfully adapted, airing that cartoon on MTV was a big mistake for Marvel.
I must've missed the version of the death of Gwen Stacy storyline that ran afoul of the Comics Code Authority.
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John Byrne
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Dude..the Powerpuff Girls movie was NONSTOP fighting and yelling.My parent friends were shocked at the violence. **** It also netted a PG rating, which rather proves my point,
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