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Brian Kirk
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Well at least we still have the Spidey movies. After #3 I hear thet JMS will screenwrite while Joel Shumacker (sp) directs. Just think...Organic webbing shooting from Spidey' nipples...can it get any better?
Seriously, the best thing to come out of this mess is the Li'L SQUITCH comic strip.
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Joe Zhang
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"You started with the best material, and
likely demand only the best."
Someone explain to me the intelligence of demanding average stuff.
"Shopkeep, I want the most mediocre goods money can buy!"
Edited by Joe Zhang on 08 December 2005 at 4:19pm
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Andrew W. Farago
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And, for the record, that issue of Web of
Spider-Man--fate of the universe depending on
Spider-Man's success in a pick-up game against
some kids--was one of the first that I read (following
the Kraven story and the asylum story), and I kept
reading until the final issue. If I'd picked up the "bad
guy eats Spider-Man's eyeball" issue when I was 11,
I'd probably still be having nightmares about it.
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Lance Hill
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Spider-Man's organic webs were mentioned in Spider-Man/Human Torch #5.
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Thomas Mets
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"You started with the best material, and
likely demand only the best."
Someone explain to me the intelligence of demanding average stuff.
"Shopkeep, I want the most mediocre goods money can buy!"
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I'm assuming that average stuff is still enjoyable, especially if you
started with "I am the Spider." A lot of people just continue
buying "average" material, instead of dropiing it in favor of
exceptional material.
So you were right, Glenn, though it wouldn't surprise me if actual
sales with reorders added on to those old pre-order numbers
pushed sales above current figures. AMAZING has been steadily dropping
and will probably hit 1999 levels and then 1998 levels shortly.
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The Other has managed to stop the decline in sales of Amazing, and raise them a couple of percentage points.
Edited by Thomas Mets on 08 December 2005 at 7:04pm
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Matt Reed
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Not surprising. It's an heavily hyped 12 issue crossover "event book" . Those types of things will generally raise sales in and of themselves. However, that has no bearing on quality. A sales spike do to heavy hype rarely does.
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Steve Horton
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Thomas: Expect levels to return to where they were post The Other, and possibly even fall further than before the crossover. At least until the next event...
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Thomas Mets
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Thomas: Expect levels to return to where they were post The Other, and possibly even fall further than before the crossover. At least until the next event...
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That wouldn't be the world's biggest surpise, although I see the first
post-Other issues selling higher than "Skin Deep." I just pointed out
that it wasn't just a steady decline.
And just to be clear- I really have no objection to people who think
Stan Lee's the 2nd/5th/whatever best Spider-Man writer, and Roger
Stern's #1. At that level of quality, the difference is negligible.
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Victor Rodgers
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To be fair Stan admits that he was only the scripter for the duration of the Ditko run. It was Steve Ditko doing all of the plots.
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Steve Horton
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Victor: Ridiculous. Care to provide a source for this?
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Victor Rodgers
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It happened a few years ago when Ditko was writing letters accusing Stan of taking sole credit for Spider-Man's creation.
Stan admited that Ditko over time did more and more of the plotting, while Stan did the scripting.
Its been mentioned on the forum before.
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Gregg Allinson
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On various topics...
-In the end, I think the Clone Saga was something of a noble failure. Essentially, the goal was to make Peter Parker a broke single young man learning to be a superhero again whilst simultaneously upgrading some old villains and introducing some new ones. The problem is, there was too much backstory- simply reverting Peter Parker back to, say, his 1964 incarnation is simple. Just make a big announcement that stories after a certain point no longer form part of the Spider-Man canon and pick up there with stories set in a contemporary or near contemporary time (ala Chapter One). But try fitting "And then I thought I was a clone for five years and lived as a derelict while my clone took over my life...etc., etc." into the introductory text on the front page of a comic or the back of an action figure. You can't. Any attempt to "switch clones" was doomed because it required too much work for the casual reader to figure out- not to mention the fact that you either had to deal with two Peter Parkers wandering around or kill one off (pissing off a huge segment of the fanbase). Plus, as Glenn has pointed out, Marvel kept on artifically prolonging it because it was such a sales hit (at first), to the story's detriment...
-I loved that Web of Spider-Man story. I first read it when it came out and I was about ten. Part of the reason I loved it so much was the wish fufillment angle- if Spider-Man is "the hero who could be you", then what's more natural than including him in the group of kids you play football with? And even back then, I thought Peter tying his arm behind his back to help even the odds was charming. I'll admit, the gambling alien subplot was pretty retarded, and I wouldn't like to see every Spider-Man story featuring Spider-Man hanging out with the neighbourhood kids playing sports, but as a change of pace issue, it was fun.
-At work a few weeks ago, I noticed a UMD (video for the PlayStation Portable) collection of the last Spider-Man cartoon that aired on MTV a few years back. There was a big sticker on front that said something like "Not Suitable For Anyone Under 13 Years Old". That blew my mind. A Spider-Man cartoon that an eight year old couldn't watch? Obviously, the train has gone off the rails...
Edited by Gregg Allinson on 08 December 2005 at 8:50pm
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