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Gregg Allinson
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There was nothing wrong with post reboot pre JMS Spider-Man stories.

Apart from fundamentally changing the basic nature of the character, you mean?

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Posted: 08 December 2005 at 11:09am | IP Logged | 2  

From what I can see there is a lot of very non-spidery hokum connected to this story. Spider-Man/Parker can now shoot out Wolverine like claws. Also webbing from his wrists. Under pressure and a high speed. Lots of it. He spins a cocoon. He devours his victim "starting with the head". Where does all this come from? Is there something in this title, "The Other" which is, in fact, refering to Spider-Man? Saying that this is not Spider-Man, but some "other", and all these outlandish wanderings away from anything to do with reality are actually clues to this fact?
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Posted: 08 December 2005 at 11:14am | IP Logged | 3  

Should the readers that absolutely adore "The Other" be denied of their great reading experience, because the "true", hardcore Spider-Man fans dislikes it?

I've heard more than a few professionals use the saying "every book is somebody's favorite". The problem with Marvel ( and others ) is that they do stories that appeal to smaller and smaller circles of fans, such that even "hardcore" fans feel left out.

The guys who will still be reading Spider-Man after this Other nonsense has concluded will practically accept anything they shovel into this franchise. They can turn Peter Parker into a hip-hop superstar who hangs out in the Amazonian rain forest and they will still buy the stuff.

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Let's just say that I hope a young Peter is found in suspended animation in a cocoon at the bottom of a lake waiting to be awoken...

Then the "Spider-Force" with it's funky work done can go back to the webs hung between the universes and all will be well.

 

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Posted: 08 December 2005 at 11:15am | IP Logged | 5  

Next up: Spidey lays eggs. 

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Nah. The Black Widow seduces him and eats him.

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Y'know, there is absolutely nothing I've read on this thread that makes me interested in reading about this all-new, all-horrible "Sp*d*r-M*n" that M***** is publishing. I can only hope that this non-spider abomination is not Peter Parker at all. Ben Reilly, anyone?
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Posted: 08 December 2005 at 11:16am | IP Logged | 7  

"and all these outlandish wanderings away from anything to do with reality are actually clues to this fact?"

I think their original title for "The Other" was "Change or Die".
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Posted: 08 December 2005 at 11:18am | IP Logged | 8  

"Even so, if there are 80% or more that hate the story, does this mean that the story should never be published in the first place? Should the readers that absolutely adore "The Other" be denied of their great reading experience, because the "true", hardcore Spider-Man fans dislikes it?"

If I'm a publisher and 80% of the audience hates a story, I ain't gonna publish it.

I'll be very interested in seeing what sort of reaction this has amongst readers.  Let's face it, the current all-hardcore comic audience has a long track record of buying stuff they don't like or loudly complaining about stuff they continue to buy.  But even comic fans have their limits.  It'll be ironic if JMS, the big-name guy brought in to pump up sales (which he did, at least by current standards) ends up taking Spider-Man sales right back in the dumper because the creative control M****l ceeded to him.

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Michael Roberts
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"The Amazing and FNSM titles are focused on a teen+ audience, if I'm not mistaken. The Marvel Adventures line is for the kids. Whatever the "ideal" may be, doesn't matter, as long as the two audiences gets their share."

I was under the impression that FNSM was intended for all ages. All the issues of FNSM so far have been rated A, except for the JMS-penned one. The Marvel Adventures line does appear to be for kids, but that is different from kid-friendly or all ages.
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Posted: 08 December 2005 at 11:21am | IP Logged | 10  

He should get all big and hairy and atavistic and start calling himself the Mygalomorph-Man.

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The fact that m***** now has to quantify which Spider-Man titles are suitable for youngsters is fucking insane.
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Posted: 08 December 2005 at 11:23am | IP Logged | 12  

Also remember that Peter started wrapping himself in a web fluid cocoon during the wretched (and mercifully short lived) "I am the Spider" period that, IIRC, ran for a few issues in the lead-up to the Clone Saga.

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The Clone Saga kicks the holy ass of every story written during the JMS/Quesada Spider-Man era, and I'm not just saying that because Mackie and Greenberg might read this!

The Clone Saga had many sins: overlong, derivative villains who weren't right for the character (Judas Traveller -- I read somewhere an editor's comments about this villain's MO: "He wants to understand the true nature of evil. Oooh-kay, that's a little vague."), but at the core of it, Spider-Man was still Spider-Man -- even when he wasn't Spider-Man or even the original Spider-Man anymore.

This whole supernatural mumbjo-jumbo with Spider-Man as some sort of animalistic predator is *not* Spider-Man.

And I'd defend the "I am the Spider" period because it is at least a logical progression of Peter using Spider-Man as an escape -- in this case, his life had gotten so bad that he wanted to be Spider-Man all the time and abandon his Peter Parker identity (the main problem with this story was that it didn't work if Peter is married. I would think he'd be more responsible to his wife to now allow himself to become so self-indulgent).

 

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