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Simon Abbey
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That's not a non-sequitur post, that's a sarcastic post. Emery's, I mean.
Jason's wasn't a non-sequitur, either. I'm not sure what it was. A hoax, a dream, an imaginary story! OK, maybe it was sarcasm, too. Anyone got a cool, damp washcloth for my forehead?
Now, Trevor... there's a non-sequitur poster.
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Jason Fulton
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Question (SPOILERS) Is this the first time that Spider-Man has knowingly killed someone? (END SPOILERS)
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Rob Hewitt
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| Posted: 02 December 2005 at 11:42am | IP Logged | 3
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The reason I tghink, although SOMETHING will remain, that the storyline cannot end with what we have now is:
QUESTION: What kind of theme do you have in mind for FNSM once storyline is over?
DAVID: This is going to be a really wild notion here. I thought we would have fun and tell fun Spider-Man stories and fun Peter Parker stories. I want to do something evocative of the Stan Lee and Steve Ditko days. I think we have had some wonderful writers and incredible artists, but I feel like we have been spinning our wheels since the days of Stan and Steve. The stories I want to do are evocative of that with a huge "gosh" "wow" factor I want to see Spider-Man in situations and doing stuff that just catches people completely off guard - that sets people up to think that such and such will happen, and then pull the rug right out from under them. So, for my mind, what I'm going to do is focus on Peter which is appropriate enough, and have fun stuff. You'll see Spider-Man swinging around the city having adventures.
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Dave Carr
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...says the guy that cut off Aquaman's hand.
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Rob Hewitt
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As to JMS, he certainly was important, just not sure exactly what he did-in terms of the details of each arch:
QUESTION: You mentioned the story The Other presented to you. Who came up with the story?
DAVID: My understanding is that this story came up from JMS and naturally went through Marvel with ideas thrown in. JMS was the spark plug of this one.
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QUESADA: JMS provided spark that got things going. He isn't the architect of the event. He got things going. We set up the structure from his idea - that allowed people to tell a chapter from each's perspective.
http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic; f=36;t=004137
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Todd Douglas
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QUOTE:
| ...says the guy that cut off Aquaman's hand. |
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...with every intention of putting things back the way he found them upon his departure from the book.
Unfortunately, said departure was abrupt and early, occurring before the final stages of Aquaman's "journey" if you will, which would have seen him becoming Earth's new Water Elemental, then returning to "regular" Aquaman with two functioning, organic hands.
(He's gone on record with his general plans for the unfinished portion of his run several times.)
Edited by Todd Douglas on 02 December 2005 at 12:07pm
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Thomas Mets
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Question (SPOILERS) Is this the first time that Spider-Man has knowingly killed someone? (END SPOILERS)
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In Spider-Man VS. Wolverine about 20 years back, he finished a violent
battle with Wolverine, and his spider sense was triggered again, so
thinking that Wolverine was attacking him, he punched HARD, and killed a woman (who wanted him to kill her).
The alleged incident in Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #3 (I say it's
alleged, because the issue hasn't been released yet) involves a similar
mistake with instinct/ lack of premeditation.
Edited by Thomas Mets on 02 December 2005 at 2:05pm
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John Byrne
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Presumably the woman was about to
attack him?
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Rob Hewitt
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I believe she wasn't. I believe Wolverine says she knew that he was so hyped up from the fight, that even though she just touched his shoulder, he would respond with a punch that meant for Wolverine. But I don't think she actually attacked or tried to attack him.
So she touched him, but I think it was a matter of adrenalin more than Spider-sense.
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Emery Calame
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EASY FIX.
1 Space Phantom: female. Coming up. STAT.
Yeah, I'm unfamiliar with the story of Spider-Man killing a woman myself. I'd google it but I'm afraid of what my come up if I put "Spider-Man kills woman" in the search field...This is the internet after all.
It's just full of slave Leia erotic fiction and Turbo Teen fetish pages....
Edited by Emery Calame on 02 December 2005 at 2:41pm
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Rob Hewitt
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Emery, you can read the review here:
http://www.spiderfan.org/comics/reviews/spiderman_one_shots/ wolverine.html
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Humans Spider-Man Has Killed
| ASM Annual #5 |
Deliberately killed the Finisher by returning a fired missile back to his tank. |
| Amazing Spider-Man #121 |
Accidentally killed Gwen Stacy, snapping her neck while she fell towards her death, thrown by Norman Osborn. It was a lose-lose scenario, so Norman gets the credit for the kill. |
| Marvel Team-Up #31 |
Killed Drom the Backwards Man. Spidey and Iron fist take on Drom, and smash his mirror on him. This causes Drom to rapidly reverse-age into nothing, effectively killing him. In the narration, Spidey regrets doing this. |
| Spider-Man vs. Wolverine #1 |
Unintentionally killed Charlemagne (Charlie). She committed suicide by attacking Spider-Man during his fight with Wolverine. |
| Web of Spider-Man #91 |
Kills Whisper-3, member of the Foreigner's Death Squad. Uses Whisper-3 to block Pulse-2's energy attack. Pulse-2 then aborted the mission and commited suicide. Note that the Death Squad was founded on the assumption that the agents were expendable, and would be replaced, e.g. by Whisper-3 and Pulse-3. Even so, Spidey could have simply dodged the energy blast, and showed no remorse for the death. |
| Ultimate MTU #1 |
Spidey plasters webbing all over the face of an bystander who makes an anti-mutant comment. The webbing is clearly sufficient to suffocate them. To be fair, I suspect that this is simply a scripting mistake, or else that Spidey deliberately created not-very-sticky webbing, or some other reason why this one shouldn't really be counted. |
| Amazing Spider-Man Vol.2 #42 |
Apparently killed Shade while in the Astral Plane, by tossing him against his own energy-storage cocoon, hoping to cause a loophole. |
| Amazing Spider-Man Vol.2 #50 |
Accidentally killed two members of the Latverian Liberation Front. Diverted a missile shot by one of their partners to the only place it wouldn't cause any casualties, a hole in the ceiling. Unbeknownst to him, the two guys were arriving to join the fray, and decided to use the hole to enter. Lose-lose scenario, not his fault. |
Sentient Robots Spider-Man Has Killed
| Avengers #11 |
Killed sentient Spider-Man android created by Kang. |
| Spectacular Spider-Man #68 |
Killed sentient Mendel Stromm android. |
| Spectacular Scarlet Spider #4 |
Spider-Man Ben Reilly killed the Master Programmer, a computer version of Doc Ock's mind. |
Sentient Creatures Spider-Man Has Killed
| Amazing Spider-Man #104 |
Killed Gog, an incredibly powerful quasi-human alien creature in the Savage Land. Spider-Man could not overcome the scaly-skinned behemoth, who was strong enough to kill a Tyranosaurus Rex. The web-slinger traps the creature in quicksand, an option which sickens him, but to which he can see no alternative.
Of course, Gog has subsequently reappeared in an issue of Astonishing Tales, and as a member of the Sinister Six in Spider-Man #18-23 (or was that an alternate time-line Gog). Anyhow, perhaps he's not dead. Still, Spidey did deliberately attempt to kill him, and believed that he had done so, so maybe this still counts.
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| Hooky: Graphic Novel |
Assisted Spindrifter in killing Tordenkakerlakk, a magical construct that Spindrifter was fated do destroy. He deliberately put himself at risk so she could do it. The creature was created with the sole purpose of dying so that Spindrifter could mature. |
| Amazing Spider-Man V.2 #54 |
Killed Digger. Knowing that Digger would fall apart if he didn't rest, Spidey relentlessly pursued a fight until his opponent died. Spidey's reasoning was that Digger was already dead in the first place, being a gamma-zombie. |
Sentient Beings Spider-Man Has Attempted to Kill
| Amazing Spider-Man #122 |
Tried to kill Norman Osborn over the murder of Gwen Stacy, came to his senses. |
| Amazing Spider-Man #348 |
Tried to kill Carnage's symbiote with a sonic burst. It survived. |
| Peter Parker: Spider-Man #75 |
Tried to kill Norman Osborn, over the murder of Ben Reilly and his daughter, Norman survived. |
http://www.spiderfan.org/faq/killed.html
Edited by Rob Hewitt on 02 December 2005 at 2:45pm
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