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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 11 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 10182
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Posted: 29 November 2005 at 7:44am | IP Logged | 1
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I don't really see anything wrong with that FF panel, but that is just me.It isn;t graphic. It is subtle enough for those who don't know these things, and for those who do, not harmful. It is not the first time or the last this has come up in a superhero book-read the first couple of years of FLASH (Wally West).
Edited by Rob Hewitt on 29 November 2005 at 7:46am
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John Byrne
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Posted: 29 November 2005 at 7:47am | IP Logged | 2
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I see no problem with that FF panel, either.
Apparently the problem is cumulative.
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Jason Fulton Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 November 2005 at 10:05am | IP Logged | 3
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I'd have to post nearly an entire issue's worth of panels to make my point, and I don't think anyone wants that. Apparently, the grand JMS idea for the FF was that (SPOILERS FOR WHAMBULANCE CHASERS) The cosmic rays that gave them their powers were sentient, and the sentience directing them was coming from a time-traveling Reed Richards - who tailored each person's powers specifically. So Reed made sure he got stretchy powers (for his bedroom prowess, no doubt), and Reed also made sure that Ben Grimm remained a monster - because having him give Ben super strength without the monsterous looks would not have fit the JMS gameplan, I guess. (END SPOILERS).
Hopefully, he won't be the guy to 'fix' Dr. Doom or Galactus.
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 November 2005 at 10:12am | IP Logged | 4
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JB wrote:
...I'd suggest the best way to "fix" most of what's wrong with Marvel and DC would be to simply invert Hopkins' logic, and stop talking about the stuff that doesn't work any more (if it ever did). I took this approach to scripting FANTASTIC FOUR, and in five years on the job, never once made reference to Reed and Ben having fought in WW2. Didn't say they hadn't, simply didn't say they did... |
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One thing I notice about the present crop of writers over at Marvel is that they seem to speak about how the comics need to be brought into the future, while at the same time, the same people are busy digging up the past and trashing it.
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 November 2005 at 10:16am | IP Logged | 5
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Jason wrote:
...SPOILERS FOR WHAMBULANCE CHASERS... |
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Jason, at the risk of having you call the "Whambulance" on me, I notice that you've been needling Rob Hewitt because he was upset that a story point was spoiled for him. Is there really a need to keep taking digs at him? I don't believe there's anything wrong with someone requesting a "spoiler" notice.
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Jason Fulton Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 November 2005 at 10:27am | IP Logged | 6
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Just poor attempts at humor on my part.
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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 November 2005 at 10:32am | IP Logged | 7
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WHA WHA WHA.
However, I did read the FF in question. Jason is more or less right, though I am not sure it really said everything was consciously done. I also don't expect this to stick-it is one of those things where you read it and you just know this isn't going to be the status quo any longer than the guy writing it.
Anyway, the book is pretty boring so far, for the most part. Maybe next issue with the Hulk will be more exciting.
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Victor Rodgers Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 November 2005 at 10:36am | IP Logged | 8
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A Stracynski book boring? I've never heard of such a thing.
Next thing you're gonna tell me is that Chuck Austen is a bad writer.
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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 November 2005 at 10:41am | IP Logged | 9
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My only experience with him is AMazing, which I don't think was boring per se, and Supreme Power for a few issues, which was intriguing but sloooowwww.
But the FF-I really mean has been borrrriiiiinnnnnng. Maybe just to me-but at best one issue had some excitiment.
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Victor Rodgers Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 November 2005 at 10:45am | IP Logged | 10
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Supreme Power had a few interesting moments but it took way too long.
Take five issues and its building suspence. More than ten and its masturbation.
Edited by Victor .R. Rodgers on 29 November 2005 at 10:52am
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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 November 2005 at 10:46am | IP Logged | 11
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I don't think I made it past 6
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Jeremy Nichols Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 November 2005 at 11:35am | IP Logged | 12
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Somehow i managed to get through the whole Supreme Power
series. Thought the nudity was gratuitous. MAYBE the Aquagirl
made sense, but Power Princess was nekkid why exactly?
But these SP mini-series... I guess I finally lost the momentum.
Dropped both after second issues.
I cannot make myself buy an Ultimate title. Maybe it's the
"ultimate" in the titles. Ultimate, Extreme, Max, etc. turns me off.
Maybe it's the poor logos. Maybe it's the poor cover design.
Maybe it's the huge issue number in a font that was never cool.
They could be the best stories ever written but they look thrown
together by someone with a marginal grasp of Pagemaker 2.0
and I just can't support that.
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