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Jay Matthews
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But you could flip that criticism around, Mike. Don't get me
wrong, I'm a'gin all this excessively graphic depictions of violence,
but at least Morlun is the bad guy doing a bad thing. In some
ways, it's better than a portrayed hero doing a bad thing.
Edited by Jay Matthews on 25 November 2005 at 6:40pm
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Joe Zhang
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In my town BOTD is not sold on the book-store racks (where children are
most likely to find comics nowdays). Amazing Spider-Man is.
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Ronald Pegram
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Joe,
That's not the case in my town. In any case, any comic featuring
Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman is no more a horror comic than was
the Champions because Ghost Rider was a member.
The whole Spider-man eye sequence is in bad taste, in my opinion, but I
can't see the furor when most of us love BOTD (including me). It's
either ok to have a character eat the flesh of another character in a
comic with all-ages characters or it aint.
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James Wright
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Or it's okay for the Demon to do it to a victim, but not a lame villain to do it to Spider-Man...
Edited by James Wright on 25 November 2005 at 7:20pm
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Thomas Mets
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| Posted: 25 November 2005 at 7:21pm | IP Logged | 5
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Stan Lee still works for Marvel. It's his job to help sell the books.
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If Stan Lee had said that he's rather not write the introduction for a
book, I'm pretty sure the bosses at Marvel would have agreed. This is a
guy whose lawsuit against Marvel & decision to write for DC were
covered in newspapers. From interviews I've also gotten the impression
that he has a tremendous respect for the cinema medium (check out any
interview where he's asked what it's like to see his characters
on-screen), so I could believe that he was impressed by Millar's run on
Marvel Knights Spider-Man, if only for its cinematic qualities.
Last time i checked, super heroes, battles, and spandex uniforms are, like, totally, unkewl, man, like, ewwwww.
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Creators have been trying to tell superhero stories without the old cliches (costumes, a battle every issue) for a long time.
From Comics Creators on the Fantastic Four
Stan Lee: I tried to violate all the comic book cliches when I did
Fantastic Four. I tried to not give them costumes or secret identities,
or so forth. That’s about all I remember about the origin.
Is there any act of violence which would make you criticize the writer
as going over a line? In other words, when it comes to violence, do
you have a line for Spider-Man?
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A writer would go over the line if Spider-Man is sexually abused, and
an artist would go over the line if he/she were to show organs being
pulled out. I'd say pretty much any act of violence is acceptable as
long as the reader doesn’t see it, and the writer has a solution for
fixing the mess.
To Howard Mackie
I enjoyed your Hobgoblin story arc in Spider-Man 47 to 49. You did a
great job rebuilding the Macendale Hobgoblin, and introducing the Son
of Kraven.
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Spider-Man 46 (the beginning of the Hobgoblin arc) was actually the
first Spider-Man issue I read, and I've now now spent god knows how
much money on the books, been introduced to a lot of great stories
(some by Mackie.) In addition one of my goals in life (note to others-
I'm still in college) is to write Spider-Man one day.
There are several dozen other Marvel characters who are
well-suited for dark, grim and unpleasant stories, but
Spider-Man just isn't one of them.
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I actually found Amazing Fantasy #15 to be pretty dark, and grim.
It’s available free at http://www.marvel.com/dotcomics/index.htm if anyone wants to check it out.
Apparently, M***** has decided it needs it's own 'rape' story as well
(SPOILERS) Black Cat gets raped in the Kevin Smith mini (END SPOILERS).
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It’s implied from a six-page preview, but nothing’s been compared yet. There’s a 10 or so percent chance you’re jumping the gun.
The rape story is not even original. It was done first (involving
Black Canary) by DC with THE LONGBOW HUNTERS back in 1987
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I recall a rape earlier in Kurosawa's Rashomon There were other rapes in the Old Testament, and Greek myth.
Now, some have attibuted that to JRjr no longer doing the art, and
there may be some truth to that. But, JRjr left before "Sins of the
Past" and the drop in sales didn't occur until after that storyline.
Which means readers stuck around and didn't like what they got, not
that they were just JRjr fans.
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You sure the decline in sales isn't also a result of readers just switching to trades.
Would you rather they keep Spider-Man missing an eye?
My feeling is, if they have a good, plausible way of reversing it, then I'm cool with it.
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Good man.
You see some huge difference in the two but the TRUTH is your arguments
would only work IF BOTD didn't have Superman and Batman chilling in the
comic. Once you introduce all-ages characters to BOTD, it's an all-ages
book, if for no other issue than that one.
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I think one of the important things to note about Blood of the Demon
is that DC advertised Batman’s appearance on the cover. I have no
problem with known all-ages characters appearing in mature rated books
like Marvel's Alias because that never advertised the appearances of those characters on covers.
Or it's okay for the Demon to do it to a victim, but not a lame villian to do it to Spider-Man...
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Is it okay for a villain who you don’t think is lame to rip out Spider-Man’s eye?
Edited by Thomas Mets on 25 November 2005 at 7:26pm
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James Wright
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Or it's okay for the Demon to do it to a victim, but not a lame villian to do it to Spider-Man...
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Is it okay for a villain who you don’t think is lame to rip out Spider-Man’s eye?
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Nope. I prefer Spider-Man to have his eyes intact. I'm funny that way.
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Darren De Vouge
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The rape story is not even original. It was done first (involving
Black Canary) by DC with THE LONGBOW HUNTERS back in 1987
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I recall a rape earlier in Kurosawa's Rashomon There were other rapes in the Old Testament, and Greek myth.
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It's all about context. I was speaking of popular comics. Nobody likes a smarta**.
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Mig Da Silva
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I just want to laugh my ass off when in three months these guys are here trying to explain us Cap America with a strap-on :o)
In the meanwhile, let's enjoy Eye-Patch-Man. Hopefully Peter will get a parrot.
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Darren De Vouge
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Why does Captain America need a strap-on?
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James Wright
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Frost bite..
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Mig Da Silva
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| People act as if Marvel is stubbornly clinging to things that are causing it to lose readers-the readers were lost awhile ago. However, Marvel still remains competive and usually beats DC-at least pre-Infinite Crisis. |
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It also hasn't created a single main hero in this decade.
It also hasn't created a single second tier hero in this decade.
It also never sold as little as in this decade.
Pseudo-Economics don't work here. Marvel is an entertainement company. One that doesn't give a rats ass about printed publishing. They don't need it to survive, even if it's profitable it's peanuts compared to the movie franchise (while it lasts). And, apparently, nobody gives a crap about artistic integrity.
So basically they have this guy who runs the printing part of the company, he has no experience, he was no legend or had the experience even as a penciller, and he runs the joint like a frat house, and has his buds write 4 to 5 books and showers the with all the aids he can: alternate covers, pornographic hype, reboots, and shock kill-sodomize-ressuscitate gimmicks.
Continuity doesn't exist, nothing makes sense, decades of legacy get thrown in the trash for an efemerate moment of shock.
Saying this ain't all that bad kinda sounds like the guy who threw himself of a building and passed by the 8th floor and was still alive, passed through the 5th floor and said "hey, this ain't all that bad", passed through the 2nd floor and smile confidently.
Then hit the ground in a bloody pulp.
Edited by Mig Da Silva on 25 November 2005 at 7:44pm
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He will when Batroc bites off his family jewels.
But ya see... people are already interested! Now this is riveting storytelling. People immideately want to now what it's all about!
Who took a bite out of whom - That's the future of comics.
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