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Thomas Mets
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Reading all this praise for Goblins at the Gate makes me even more angry at
a) Egmont for not printing it in the Finnish Spider-Man title
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b) Marvel for not having it avalaible in a trade (it's a bit short
alone, but they could throw in Hobgoblin Lives since the old edition is
out of print)
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Actually combining it with Hobgoblin Lives would give the six-issues a
trade is mean to have. It'd be a great capper to a series of Roger
Stern Visionaries trades.
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Joe Zhang
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"Where Cannibalism is KEWL!!!11"
yummy !
I suppose from now on, nothing can be in bad "taste".
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Mig Da Silva
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Last time i checked, super heroes, battles, and spandex uniforms are, like, totally, unkewl, man, like, ewwwww.
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Ronald Pegram
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| Posted: 25 November 2005 at 2:56pm | IP Logged | 4
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In all seriousness though fellas...
...comics are derived from the pulps and this just seems like your
typical over the top villanous thing someone would've tried to do to
the Shadow or Doc Savage before having a cap popped in their a**.
I mean, this is a sick piece of art but it is any more sick that the
proverbial mustache-twisting villian tying a woman to a train track?
Kids love this kind of crap. I'm sure Spider-Man will grow his eyeball
back and this will be forgotten. In the meantime, downing this is
somewhat akin to downing all those Tarzan flicks with spears going
through chests and giant spiders lurking in caves. Kids like the four
color violence and that was needlessly and grotesquely violent.
I'm sure most kids can't wait for the next issue.
In fact, didn't I just read one of JB's recent titles in which the villian had a missing face courtesy of the hero????
And before someone says 'That's different - that's not an all-ages
book.", let me remind you that Batman was swinging around in that same
issue.
It's just over the top pulpy violence.
Edited by Ronald Pegram on 25 November 2005 at 2:59pm
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Jay Matthews
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| Posted: 25 November 2005 at 3:06pm | IP Logged | 5
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Ronald Pegram wrote:
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It's cannibalism. He ate the eyeball of an icon. Can we not make some distinction here from what went before?
Here's a discussion challenge to those who do not have a problem with
Squitch the ingested eyeball. Is there any act of violence which
would make you criticize the writer as going over a line? In
other words, when it comes to violence, do you have a line for
Spider-Man?
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Joe Zhang
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I mean, this is a sick piece of art but it is any more sick that the
proverbial mustache-twisting villian tying a woman to a train track?"
No, this is more like what happens when the hero doesn't show up to get the woman off the track.
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Victor Rodgers
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[quote] mean, this is a sick piece of art but it is any more sick that the proverbial mustache-twisting villian tying a woman to a train track?
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Your point might have more merit if you showed the train crushing the woman to a pulp. Villians have cooked up some nasty tricks for Spidey in the past, but he gets away.
I thought it was sloppy and hackish to have Xander lose an eye in the last season of Buffy, and I think it is here.
Now according to my own rules im going to praise something.
To Howard Mackie
I enjoyed your Hobgoblin story arc in Spider-Man 47 to 49. You did a great job rebuilding the Macendale Hobgoblin, and introducing the Son of Kraven.
I also loved the line Spidey said when Demogoblin asked him if a convict was evil.
Edited by Victor .R. Rodgers on 25 November 2005 at 3:18pm
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Ronald Pegram
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I'm sorry. I can't see it.
Seriously, most of us LOVE BOTD and the parallel is there. One of the
villians has, as his major motivation, the fact that his face was eaten
off by the Demon and there's Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman squaring
off with his mistress when his mask is ripped off to reveal (shudder)
the missing face.
Why is this not in the same league? Explain that to me? I thought BOTD
was funny and cool so why would I criticize this because of a squitch?
It's just goofy (scary) comic-book violence and kids love it. How could
a face crunch with mumbled speech following be ok but an eyeball yank
not be?
Edited by Ronald Pegram on 25 November 2005 at 3:13pm
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Ronald Pegram
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For me, going over the line would involve torture or situations in
which Peter is powerless to strike back while being disfigured a la Rob
Zombie's House of 1,000 Corpses.
This should be followed with a major KABOOMIE on the next page with
Morlun (or whatever his name is) flying through a window and Spider-Man
in hot pursuit.
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Joe Zhang
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"
I'm sorry. I can't see it."
Well, there wouldn't be much to see. Other than a few scraps here and there.
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Jason Fulton
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Etrigan is a horror character - Spider-Man is not.
'Trying to make your mark on a character' doesn't mean that you literally MAIM the character you're writing.
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Andrew W. Farago
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Blood of the Demon features a demon from Hell as
its lead character, while Spider-Man features a
light-hearted, funny guy bug-powers who dresses in
a bright red costume and fights bank robbers. There
are several dozen other Marvel characters who are
well-suited for dark, grim and unpleasant stories, but
Spider-Man just isn't one of them.
That's the most disappointing thing about all of this.
When JMS was good (and he had some really bright
spots in his Spider-Man run with John Romita Jr.),
he really seemed to understand the heart of the
character. Unfortunately, nobody seems to
remember that one of the big reasons they had to
cancel and relaunch the Spider-Man titles back in the
late 1990s was to give the character a fresh start
after all the grim and gritty storylines and endless
multi-part crossovers they subjected him to
throughout the 1990s.
You'd think someone would've caught on to the fact
that once they started making Spider-Man a really
unpleasant, miserable character who seemed to
hate himself and joylessly beat up on all of the
super-villains in his path that sales didn't improve
and that all they really managed to do was scare off
long-time readers and any kids who were looking for
a fun comic book, but they're intent on rehashing all
the worst mistakes that they've already made with
the character, but more graphically.
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