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Jim O'Neill
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Ha! DC, no. Paul Levitz is a right guy.
Now, if I took my inspiration from Quicksilver...!
Edited by Jim O'Neill on 10 November 2005 at 12:01pm
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Wallace Sellars
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| Posted: 10 November 2005 at 12:02pm | IP Logged | 2
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Hey! What is Bob Wayne's position at DC?
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John Hays
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John, I hate to be a hair-splitting, oligarchical stickler, but in
Showcase #4, Jay Garrick is clearly not a real person. He's a fiction
within a fiction.
So, we could argue that if I happened to one day have an origin
which resulted in my gaining super-speed just like Barry Allen, I
wouldn't be inheriting a legacy so much as using this fictional
character as my inspiration.
Which (to me) isn't the same thing.
(The first thing I'd do, btw, is toss a plate of french fries in
the air, and then watch them settle slowwwly to the ground. Just to
make sure.)
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Jim,
I understand. I happen to disagree, though.
However, if you really want to get technical, Barry later found out that Jay WAS real, so in essence if being real were a prerequisite as you say, he was still a legacy hero, he just didn't know it. That gets into extremely arguable waters, though, I admit.
That's why I maintain my opinion that yes, even you would be considered a legacy character because you're continuing a name, regardless of the source.
Now another area that might be interesting to think about is, what if the character has vastly different abilities than the previous incarnation, or is a villain, etc...I think they would still be a legacy character. Anyone have opinions on that?
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John Hays
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Bob Wayne is VP of sales at DC.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 10 November 2005 at 12:15pm | IP Logged | 5
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Hey! What is Bob Wayne's position at DC?
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He is secretly the Batman.
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James C. Taylor
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If he has a ward named Don Grayson...
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Jim O'Neill
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"Now another area that might be interesting to think about is, what if the character has vastly different abilities than the previous incarnation, or is a villain, etc...I think they would still be a legacy character. Anyone have opinions on that?"
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John~
I'm already in agree to disagree mode with Alex, so I'll just extend that to you.
As an example of the scenario you've described, I'd submit the two Atoms: Al Pratt & Ray Palmer.
I still don't agree, of course...
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John Hays
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Jim,
Oh yeah, definitely. I would say that's another great example of legacy, so we would have to just agree to disagree.
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Jeremy Nichols
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"He is secretly the Batman."
--- So we now know never to trust JB with our secret identities.
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Jim O'Neill
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"Oh yeah, definitely. I would say that's another great example of legacy, so we would have to just agree to disagree."
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Agreed!
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Eric Kleefeld
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Al Pratt and Ray Palmer have absolutely nothing in common besides the
Atom name. As tenuous as the Jay/Barry and Alan/Hal legacy arguments
are, the case for Al Pratt and Ray Palmer makes them look ironclad.
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David Whiteley
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John: where do you draw the line in your "legacy" theory? I mean, by some
of the arguments you are putting forth, you could say that the Gladiator
who fights Daredevil and the Gladiator who is a member of the Shiar
empire have a "legacy" relationship, just because they have the same
name.
Or the Cyborg who is a member of the Teen Titans has a legacy
relationship with the Cyborg who battled Superman.
Or the Catain Marvel who died of Cancer to be related to a certain Billy
Batson.
Sometimes a shared name is just a shared name. For it to be a legacy,
wouldn't there have to be an attempt to fulfill / continue that legacy (a la
Phantom - handed down)? Are Dave Pruitt and I legacy relations?
Edited by David Whiteley on 10 November 2005 at 4:54pm
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