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Jim O'Neill
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No, Barry and Hal do not fit.
See Crisis #12, in which Wally West inherits the mantle of the Flash. He grew older (the thrust of JB's objection), and inherited the legacy left by Barry.

Barry Allen didn't grow into his role. He was created fresh for a new generation of readers, most of whom (like me) had never heard of Jay Garrick.

"Legacy", here, is defined as developments within the continuity of the characters, not a reinvention of the characters (which occurred in the very real world of editor Julius Schwartz).
And in those days, the idea of letting the characters age was absurd.
You can't have it both ways.

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Andrew,

I really appreciate your well thought out answer, and I'll just let that be the final word on it as far as I'm concerned regardless of whether I agree or not, since Mr. Byrne can't seem to address me without name calling.
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Hey, John H, telling you to fuck off isn't calling you a name, asshole. Now THAT is calling you a name.
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Jim O'Neill
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"Mr. Byrne can't seem to address me without name calling."
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So you're changing your name to "fuck off"?

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I have to agree with Rob against James. I say Hal Jordan was effectively
cancelled in 1994, to make way for Kyle Rayner. I usually dislike
renumbering, but I do think that particular occasion could have used one;
the comic we know as Green Lantern Vol. 3 #51 should have been Green
Lantern Vol. 4 #1.
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John Hays, are you here just to provide more grist to bring over to the Geoff Johns boards?  I never forget a face (your avatar) and I've read what you've had to say about the JBF over there.
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Jim O'Neill
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...the plot thins...
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 QUOTE:
Other examples Jack Knight, Star Girl, Jakeem Thunder, Spider-girl


Spider-Girl has always been a possible/alternate future/universe character, rather than an actual replacement of Spider-Man. Both Spider-Man and Spider-Girl are published side by side and neither interfere with each other. So Spider-Girl isn't a "legacy hero" in the same sense that Wally West and Tim Drake are.

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It's not an ongoing story, its a series of stories starring the same characters


Though Marvel from the mid-60s onward, and much later DC, certainly gave the illusion of it being an ongoing story.
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But it wasn't, Eric, and that's the point.
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It's not an ongoing story, its a series of stories starring the same characters

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Though Marvel from the mid-60s onward, and much later DC, certainly gave the illusion of it being an ongoing story.

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And that's called "the illusion of change". And it used to be a cornerstone of comicbook writing. Until a bunch of lazy, arrogant writers decided it was too hard to write like that and started pissing all over the toys they didn't create.

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"Though Marvel from the mid-60s onward, and much later DC, certainly gave the illusion of it being an ongoing story.

That's what made Marvel so cool. It's why I stopped reading Superman and "graduated" to Spider-Man as I grew older (back in the silver age).

All of a sudden, Superman seemed like it was for little kids. Nothing changed. Anything neat that happened in a Superman story was always reversed by story's end.

But if something happened in Spider-Man or FF, it stuck.
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