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Matt Reed
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That's the impression I got too, James.  It was always Spider-Man who turned them down, even after going on the occasional adventure with them, because he knows he doesn't work well as part of a team...something Bendis and TPTB at Marvel seem to have forgotten (or "aged" and "grown" him past) in NEW AVENGERS.
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Been a long time since I read any of those... but that makes more sense. At least Quicksilver and the Witch had been on a team previously. And IIRC, at least once, Spider-Man stormed off feeling snubbed after a misunderstanding. Or maybe that was when he had a shot at joining the FF...
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One time he came close early on-remember when he was the first to find out the Hulk's identity?

ANd his mission was to bring in the Hulk as a tryout to join the Avengers>

But he felt bad and didn't realize they wanted to help the Hulk so he pretended like he couldn't even find him and swung away, sad that he blew his chance and not realizing that he really didn't?

A few times he turned them down. (Even this time he did at first).  I think once Captain America and him mutually agreed that he didn't fit. This time Cap got him to rethink it.

So is Daredevil Ronin?  That's what they want you to believe.  Daredevil seems even less a fit. 



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I never read it that they wanted to keep Spider-Man out, rather that he never felt he would be right in a team situation.

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He wanted to join in Avengers 236 and 237 but the government wasn't so sure about him. Even Cap vouched for him and when they brought up the secret identity, the government wanted to know who he was. He didn't want to tell them, so Spider-Man didn't become an Avenger.


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Neither DD or Spider-Man should be on a team.  They just don't work out except in specific, story based situations, but not as members in good standing sitting around the Avengers Tower sans masks and calling everybody by their first names.
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That's why DD is Ronin ;)
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This is the issue I was talking about.

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 Brian Miller wrote:
Even Cap vouched for him and when they brought up the secret identity, the government wanted to know who he was. He didn't want to tell them, so Spider-Man didn't become an Avenger.

Bingo!  We have a winnah!!!!  This is the Spider-Man I know, someone who protects his identity at all costs because revealing it could cause harm to the family and friends he loves.  Not some guy who seemingly can't wait to take his mask off in the company of others.

BTW, although there are a few instances of Peter being turned down, the vast majority are of him turning down team membership and not being shunned by the teams themselves.

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'Those problems are solely because he's Spider-Man. As the old joke goes, "Doc, it hurts when I do this!" "Well, don't do that!"'

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Peter Parker HAS considered dropping the whole Spider-man act on more than one occasion, and when that happens, it's not the thrill, the cash or anything else that keeps Spidey around.  It's the thought that if he doesn't stop the villain of the month, something bad might happen and someone could get hurt.  Just like what happenned to uncle Ben.

"With great power comes great responsibility" simply means "I stop them baddies because I can."  The ability alone makes it his responsibility to go after Doc Ock, or Green Goblin, or even some simple dime-a-dozen burglar.  Of course, that doesn't mean he can't get a kick out of it, especially REALLY early on when the second identity hasn't interferred that much with his personal life.  But then Aunt May got sick, and he tried having a girlfriend, and that was already enough to start making an alter ego a burden just as much as a blessing.

Part of the reinvention of super heroes by Lee in the 60's involved throwing out the old approach of, "Gee, look at all I can do!  I better use my wonderful powers to right wrongs, and battle evil wherever it may be found!"  Spider-man's motives for his first battles included revenge, seeking approval, being set up, curiosity and making money as a photographer.  He ended up thrilled by it since it was both easy and earned him a living.  But none of these would have kept him going for very long.  There had to be more to it.

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Peter Parker HAS considered dropping the whole Spider-man act on more than one occasion, and when that happens, it's not the thrill, the cash or anything else that keeps Spidey around.  It's the thought that if he doesn't stop the villain of the month, something bad might happen and someone could get hurt.  Just like what happenned to uncle Ben.

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That perhaps was the turn the character took with ASM 50 but it's not true to the character. The character (and the first few issues) is not "vengeance driven" or "guilt-driven." "Action is his reward." It was always implied that the police or the other heroes in the Marvel Universe could handle the bad guys Spider-Man fought.

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 Stephen Robinson, from the Spider-Man song wrote:
Action is his reward.

You really have it nailed.
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If that's how you see Spider-man, than we have unbreachable gap. I don't those issues like that at all.  Peter was more confident, let loose more as Spider-man and enjoyed that escapist aspect of it. But it also was a burden as well. "Will I become the menace that they think I am? Perhaps that is the only course left to me"

At best, he goes back and forth.



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