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Jeremy Nichols
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Posted: 25 August 2005 at 3:49pm | IP Logged | 1  

Just sell the comics at other places... or count them in the sales
stats, at least. I like the magazine idea (can't wait for IDW's
Doomed book), but they're magazines already. They're just a
bit smaller.

I'm telling you, it's Wal-Mart. That's the key to the revival.


[Paid for by Wal-Mart® Stores, Inc. ©2005 blah blah blah just joking]
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Matt Reed
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So you dismiss out of hand the fact that Marvel went bankrupt nine years ago...why?  You call someone out because they don't have the records of a private company and when reminded that said company went bankrupt only nine years ago, you dismiss it. Huh. You don't really think the company is making more money now off of comic books (discounting both merchandising and film deals during either period) than it did 25 years ago.  You can't really be saying that at all.
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Kevin Webb
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One of the major barriers to entry is cost on monthly books. I grew up in
the 70s and 80s and could grab a comic off the rack and talk my folks
into
buying one. Prices were around $.40 when I started. Fast forward to
today, are parents as interested in buying the same 20ish page comic for
$2.00 to $3.00?

When I was 8, my allowance was around $5.00, with which I would buy 6
titles per month, and use the rest elsewhere. That same number of titles
would cost my 8 year old around 12-15.00. I understand inflation
numbers, etc., but my 8 year old only get 5.00 per week. Its just the
standard little kid allowance.

Also, as the audience has aged, it has become tougher to find comics that
are kid friendly. The stories in normal superhero books have aged out of
kid range. Read the stories from 1970-1980ish, and you will rarely find
anything objectionable for kids. My local store has a spinner of kid titles,
but the variety is low. My son likes the Justice League and Looney Toons,
but that is about all.



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Eric Kleefeld
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Kevin Webb:

The stories in normal superhero books have aged out of
kid range. Read the stories from 1970-1980ish, and you will rarely find
anything objectionable for kids. My local store has a spinner of kid titles,
but the variety is low. My son likes the Justice League and Looney Toons,
but that is about all.


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I've thought for a while the DCU would be a nicer place if we woke up
tomorrow and the Animated universe (Batman and Superman, especially)
was the new standard.
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Jeremy Nichols
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I'm gonna find out what it takes to sell through Wal-Mart and
start my own thing up. Any of you guys have problems with
newsprint? I personally would prefer cheaper comics over the
over-colored, so slick you gotta read in the dark paper they use
now.... any other suggestions?

What's that? Hire JB? Yeah, I'll work on that too heh heh...
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Trevor Giberson
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Anyone read this?

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/busted/

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Chad Carter
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The companies churning out comics don't seem to be able to realize that kids aren't sophisticated art critics or New York Times literary critics, they're just kids who want to see adventure, action, and their favorite super-hero winning the good fight like they wish they could. The companies have forgotten that an excellent comic doesn't have to be "Art", and it doesn't have to be made of paper that could survive a nuclear blast.

Comics also do not have to be segregated into kiddie level stuff and mature reader stuff. Comics used to have good, solid stories,with love and clobbering and demons and everything, and none of it had to be explicit and the falling bad guy didn't have to splatter his brains on the street. Some of the greatest stories I know came from comics and I read them all from ages 8-17 before bailing on the unwashed 90s.

Writers like Wolfman, Byrne, Wein, Gerber, Starlin, Englehart, and Thomas (especially on CONAN) could all operate in fairly adult arenas with class while not resorting to hardcore violence and mayhem or rape or whatever. Comics today just seem rife with a pervading cynical blahness stemming from the 90s, and no one seems to want to get over it. The worst thing that happened to comics? Turning the Punisher and Wolverine into household names, while every writer post-Frank Miller (and thank Burton's movies too) turned Batman into a colorless, blank, boring sociopath.

Why don't the writers of comics start writing like they actually enjoy their frigging jobs? Like the sense that comics are fun to produce even when dealing with something dark, that every comic doesn't have to be a journey through the dark night of the soul? Kids don't get tortured, women don't get raped, and heroes punch villains through buildings and never kill anyone.

Don't get me wrong, I love adult comics. But let's have a middle ground of solid, well-constructed superhero stuff free of whatever angsty depression infects the writers. And get some real artists too! I'm personally sick of this slick, manga-ish ill-conceived work that has all the dynamism of a cigarette ad. I'm thinking of FF currently, for one.



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Jacob P Secrest
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 Michael Hatton wrote:

"Honestly, if you think there's even a small chance that Marvel is making
more money publishing comics today than they did in the 80's then
there's really not much point in even trying to argue this with you."

It looks like you are misquoting me twice.

1. I said 1980 not in the 80's. 1989 is would likely be different than
1980.

And he didn't say '89, he said the 80's, implying the 80's as a whole, not
just one specific year in the late 80's.

 Michael Hatton wrote:
2. I did not say from publishing.

Then the comment had no valid point, the topic of the thread is "Is the
comic industry really in that bad of shape?", a thread I might add, that
you started, if you are going to include things other than publishing,
which means industries, other than publishing then the name of
the thread should be "Are the comic companies really in that bad of
shape?", and in that case the answer would be a definite "no".

Comic companies are doing great, comics aren't.
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The comic industry will be in good shape for the next twenty to thirty years.
That's when it's readership will start dying off.
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Jacob P Secrest
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Very true Jon, the industry needs new readership more than anything
else, I'm basically the only person I know who regularely buys comics, the
only other person I know only buys Wolverine.
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Jeff Fettes
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Posted: 25 August 2005 at 5:10pm | IP Logged | 11  

Steve Jones: Amazing, Jeff, though Michael couldn't know if Marvel is making more money now than in the 80s because they were a private company then, you do. How do you do it?

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I was not the one who offered to back up his opinions by "checking the facts and adjust for inflation". I was just pointing out that none of us could really do that. We are all going off of second hand info.

That being said, I feel comfortable going out on a limb -- way out I'm sure -- in "guessing" that during the days when 100,000 in sales was borderline cancellation and titles routinely sold 200,000+ that publishing was more profitable than today when some titles are sustaining at 1/10 those numbers.

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Always liked Hot Stuff!  
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