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Edward Aycock
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Posted: 19 January 2026 at 8:07pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

As I said several posts upthread, this thread made me seek this book out and buy it.  I am glad I did.  I love the art and those full body shots of Superman and Spider-Man in action at various points are gorgeously rendered.  Score!

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Actually, redrawing that AVENGERS issue is very telling tale of Marvel back then.

I had drawn the issue as breakdowns, which was common for many pencilers at the time. So, business as usual.

Unfortunately, the week I sent in the pages coincided with Shooter’s Whim of Iron having declared breakdowns were no longer acceptable, and he insisted the pages be sent back to me for redrawing, adding more detail.

Roger Stern, the editor, protested. The reason why I had done breakdowns was that the issue was seriously crowding its deadlines, and Roger planned to use multiple inkers/finishers to get things closer to the clock. (Yes, there used to be a time when editors cared about deadlines!) The inkers would fill in the “missing” details, as usual.

Shooter would have none of it. His new rule, as was too often the case, had to be applied retroactively. The pages were bundled up and sent back to me and—for the first and only time in my career—the package was LOST IN THE MAIL. Never reached me.

In desperation Rog ordered the inkers to work on overlay on xeroxes of the pages and, as expected, they added shadows and textures and background details where needed. Exactly as they would have done with the original pages.

The issue was the second part of our Absorbing Man story.

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Looks like the 1981 "Part 2" is being re-released in facsimile form as well, the first week of February:


Marvel Treasury Edition #28

That one I do remember (thumbing through a copy at a local newsstand while my mother did laundry next door!), though again I never had a copy of my own.  It was fun to see John Buscema's takes on the DC heroes & villains in this one.


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Posted: 20 January 2026 at 5:44pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Yet another plum project Shooter assigned to himself.
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Posted: 20 January 2026 at 6:37pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

And, btw, the Parasite?

I appreciate that they didn’t want to use Luthor again, but the Parasite??

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Brian ONeill
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Posted: 20 January 2026 at 7:32pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Shooter created the Parasite, so...

The 1981 team-up was 'my first', but I greatly prefer the original.
Shooter's characterization and dialogue are all over the place, for everyone except his purple, parastic 'progeny'. 
It's obvious he hadn't thoroughly/closely  read a Superman story since he last worked for DC, which is fine. His grasp of Peter/Spidey wasn't that great, trying to make him 'sound' like he did in the later Stan Lee issues, but not getting it.
His 'stylistic choice' to show New Yorkers as so 'jaded' they don't make a big deal about Superman instead made the locals(especially the cops) look like idiots who'd never heard of him.
The Hulk and Wonder Woman were treated badly, shoehorned in because a previously-planned crossover fell through.
And the 'Doom claims diplomatic immunity' thing is something a precocious teenager would come up with, not a guy serving as writer of multiple monthly titles and editor-in-chief of the whole line.
Should have just let Marv Wolfman write it, even after he 'switched teams'.
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Posted: 20 January 2026 at 7:34pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Agreed, JB... should've been Brainiac maybe? Or Metallo.

Still, I did appreciate John Buscema on the art chores.

-C!
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I thought that team-up was awful. 
Shooter thought himself to be Marvel's 'expert' on Superman(a pretty cool thing to be, when you just make it up), but he didn't really have a good handle on anybody except the Parasite(Jim's creation, after all).
The problem was, Shooter didn't have a good handle on the two co-stars, or Doom. The 'diplomatic immunity' thing was a cop-out, Pete in 1981 had far more self-confidence than Shooter demonstrated, and what was supposed to be an 'underwhelmed' reaction to Superman by 'jaded' New Yorkers instead came across as if Superman had landed in front of Floyd's Barber Shop in Mayberry, and Ernest T. Bass threw a rock at him.
Ridiculous characterization from a guy who worked in NYC.
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Posted: 20 January 2026 at 7:46pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

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Posted: 20 January 2026 at 7:53pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Agreed, JB... should've been Brainiac maybe? Or Metallo.

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Since Doctor Doom is not immediately thought of as a Spider-Man villain, it seems there was no real reason to limit Superman to his admittedly weak rogue’s gallery.

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Posted: 20 January 2026 at 8:09pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Shooter wrote the story, and Shooter created the Parasite.
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