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Steven Myers
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Posted: 22 December 2024 at 5:15pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

“Death SELLS!” 

Yes. Though I wonder if the proliferation of character deaths has blunted this somewhat. Marvel recently had a story where Ms. Marvel died and no one thought it was permanent.
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Posted: 22 December 2024 at 6:34pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

“Nobody dies forever!”

When I killed Terrax I thought having him consumed by the Power Cosmic was a pretty sure way to ensure a permanent death, but it didn’t take long for another writer to bring him back. No greater effort was expended than “I got better.”

Also brought him back in the wrong burrough.

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DC killed Barry Allen off in Crisis, and kept him dead for over two decades.

They turned Hal Jordan evil, killed him off for what seemed like a blink of an eye, turned him into the Spectre, then made a retcon/excuse that let him off the hook.

One of two is one of my absolute favorite heroes ever, and one is a hero whose book I read mainly when he shared it with Green Arrow. I've always found Hal Jordan boring. 




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Posted: 22 December 2024 at 10:57pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

As a fan who arrived too late to know Gwen Stacy, her death meant nothing
to me. But early on, I felt how much it was understood that her death was a
big deal. It took me well into adulthood to understand what a negative
impact I believe that story had as a precedent for other “big deal” death
stories.

I realize now that if she hadn’t died she would be so much less spoken of. I
really can’t imagine “Spider-Gwen” being a concept that arose if she had
not died.

“Dying” can be a first step toward immortality.
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Rick Whiting
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Posted: 23 December 2024 at 1:33am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Instead of killing off supporting characters that were not created to die, they should just have them go away. It's not rocket science and it's easier to bring them back than coming up with story to explain how dead character is alive again.
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I totally agree!

I started reading SPIDER-MAN in the mid-70's, at least a decade after both Betty Brant and Liz Allen made their last appearances.  (There were also plenty of Stan Lee/Ditko & Romita to read, so I knew who everyone was.)  I was surprised when they both returned!  The Liz Allen/Harry Osborn and the Betty Brant/Ned Leeds romances all made sense and were fairly important in the whole scheme of things.  And neither would have been possible if they were killed off.
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Posted: 24 December 2024 at 11:47pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Some writers just seem to understand the importance of non-powered supporting characters better than others.

Steve Gerber was a master at it.  For a while there, Jack Norris was the heart of DEFENDERS.  Same for Richard Rory and MAN-THING.  I really cared when Trish Starr lost her arm.

Other writers also get it.  It was a pleasant surprise when Dave Cox showed up again in CAPTAIN AMERICA, decades after he was last seen.  Moira MacTaggart always seemed an essential part of X-MEN, and of course Alicia for FANTASTIC FOUR.  Is Alicia doomed to one day be killed off or be given super-powers?

Dear lazy writers: If you don't know what to do with a regular person supporting character, just let them wander off.  A better writer will one day show up and make something good come of it.
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Steven Myers: " (Quoting John Byrne) “Death SELLS!”  Yes. Though I wonder if the proliferation of character deaths has blunted this somewhat. Marvel recently had a story where Ms. Marvel died and no one thought it was permanent."

People still buy "#1" comics because they think all "#1" issues will make them rich, eventually, despite all evidence to the contrary. You'd think all the "deaths" would blunt sales, but don't fool yourself. Too many people are like sheep. I mean, how many times is some third rate character that nobody remembered or cared about suddenly is rumored to be featured in some television/streaming/motion picture project and speculators jump at it like lemmings buying up the comic books appearances thinking they will have some sustained value?

Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, Hawkman, Aquaman, Hawkman, etc,. all have died and came back...

Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye, Vision, etc, have all died and came back...

Why would anyone care anymore? Such a lazy, uninspired, and hackneyed story device and marketing gimmick that only cheapens the concept of death and robs future stories involving the resurrected characters of any drama. Ugh.
 


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Posted: 25 December 2024 at 8:20pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

JB: "...When I killed Terrax I thought having him consumed by the Power Cosmic was a pretty sure way to ensure a permanent death, but it didn’t take long for another writer to bring him back. No greater effort was expended than “I got better.”..."


Yep, when it's fiction, nobody is safe at staying dead.





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