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John Byrne
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Posted: 07 December 2024 at 12:29pm | IP Logged | 1
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Yes.
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Mark Haslett Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 December 2024 at 5:55pm | IP Logged | 2
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Yes.
Again, the watering down and devolution of a strongly distinctive character and rule set results from an unguarded firehose of stories based on the unprotected original. What has been the positive effect of having “Dracula” become essentially synonymous with “vampire”?
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Peter Martin Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 December 2024 at 7:24pm | IP Logged | 3
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Stoker's version has never really been seen on screen. Culturally we "know" what the archetypal version of Dracula is and it is something of a synthesis of Stoker, Universal and Hammer. I think we see something similar with Robin Hood and King Arthur, though both are obviously in the public domain.
Conversely, a lot of complaints are levelled here about the lack of consistency in Batman in recent decades, when that is a character who has not been in the public domain.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 07 December 2024 at 7:43pm | IP Logged | 4
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Fan-think has done more damage to Batman than anything else.
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Mark Haslett Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 December 2024 at 7:46pm | IP Logged | 5
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Correct, Peter. With ownership comes responsibility. Though DC owns Batman, they have ignored the duty to protect the integrity of the character.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 07 December 2024 at 8:06pm | IP Logged | 6
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They seem to rejoice in destroying that integrity!!
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Steven Myers Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 December 2024 at 9:01pm | IP Logged | 7
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I was thinking about Wizard of Oz recently. It didn't take long for there to be non-LFB written Oz stories, but the stories written by Baum didn't have much internal consistency either. Most people think of the Garland movie as the "real" Oz. Though it differs greatly from the original novel, it was loosely based on the stage play adaptations Baum had help write. But now there's Wicked, which I couldn't even get through. It seems so popular a world today, yet seems to have fallen so far...
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John Byrne
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Posted: 07 December 2024 at 9:28pm | IP Logged | 8
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As I’ve often said, if you’re making a movie about, say, Abraham Lincoln, you’re free to ask “What was he really thinking?” He was a real man, and much of his inner self is cut off from us. But it’s pointless to ask that question about James Bond or Sherlock Holmes. Their creators told us what they were thinking. Why they did what they did.
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Scott Gray Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 December 2024 at 11:45am | IP Logged | 9
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If you like Batman, the only place to find Batman stories has always been Warner Bros. That's going to change in 2035. Everyone will be able to produce and publish Batman stories.
But only the core Batman material will be available right at the start - Bruce Wayne, Gotham, Commissioner Gordon, etc. So creators will have to focus on the fundamentals of the character if they want their stories to feel "real".
It's going to take a while, but I think we may end up with a genuine meritocracy in comics publishing - yes, there will be cheap cash-ins, but there will also be stories produced with real love and care. Not just for Batman, of course, but for Superman, Wonder Woman, Captain America, Sub-Mariner, Captain Marvel, etc.
I think that, with the passing of time, people will ultimately stop thinking of Superman and Batman as "DC characters" entirely, in the same way we don't think of Sherlock Holmes as a "George Newnes Ltd" character or Dracula as an "Archibald Constable & Company" character.
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Mark Haslett Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 December 2024 at 6:07pm | IP Logged | 10
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Interesting thought, Scott. But to me there is a fundamental ingredient that is already gone and only a “meritocracy” bent by my personal interests could even attempt to address it. And that is that IMHO, Batman functions best as a character in serial comic books written for all ages. Being able to read someone’s fan-made approximation of all that encompasses can never be the same. The only thing that could hope to do it would be an old pro, playing by the old rules-well, just like John Byrne did on Elsewhen.
The problem with this meritocracy is that it will be drawn in so many directions by whatever nostalgia-driven audience remains that it is most likely that I will not find what I am looking for.
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Peter Hicks Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 December 2024 at 6:38pm | IP Logged | 11
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I wonder if Marvel will be so bold as to publish their own version of Batman?
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Scott Gray Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 December 2024 at 7:07pm | IP Logged | 12
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Peter Hicks: I wonder if Marvel will be so bold as to publish their own version of Batman?
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I've been wondering that myself. And of course, will DC decide to start publishing Captain America stories?
Ultimately, it won't matter. When a new Dracula or Sherlock Holmes novel comes out, nobody asks who's publishing it – people just want to know if it's any good.
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