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"Almost fifty (50!) years later, the guy brings up some dreaming up, when nobody can contest him...I feel for Wein's wife and family, that's all."
I think the idea that Roy Thomas waited until everyone was dead before asserting his claims has been clearly debunked. The only new thing that's happened is Roy approached Disney and asked to be acknowledged as a co-reator in the credits of the Deadpool and Wolverine film. In my opinion, whether that was ethical in light of the timing depends on two things: whether Thomas is telling the truth, and whether the estates of the other creators involved stand to lose anything as a result of Roy's claim.
I was curious about the royalty payments, so I did some research and came across two very informative articles on Forbes. See them here:
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Some interesting tidbits:
"Valada (Wein's wife) said that Wein considered Thomas a close friend, and does not recall them having any bad blood over this or any such issue when her husband was alive. Thomas cited one example where he had seen a photo of Wein at a convention with a booth banner that identified him as “creator of Wolverine,” and spoke to him about neglecting Romita, Trimpe and his own contributions. Valada remembered the incident and noted that the offending banner, which was produced by an assistant, was quickly replaced at subsequent appearances. “He always called himself the writer-creator, as distinct from the artist-creator,” she said."
So not only did Thomas address this while Wein was alive, he addressed it directly with Wein.
From what I can see, there doesn't seem to be any factual dispute about the role played by Roy Thomas. The dispute is over whether what he did should be considered part of the creative process; so its about how we define "creation." I understand and respect the opinion of Rodrigo and others, that editors shouldn't get creative credit, because that's usually how it works. I just disagree. I think the fairest thing to do is to look at this on a case by case basis, taking into consideration the level of involvement by the editor.
As far as royalties are concerned, Roy is getting none, and says that he doesn't want them:
“First and foremost, this is not a financial issue. I’m not getting a penny, as far as I know, and it in no way takes away from whatever Len [Wein] and John [Romita]’s families may be getting, if anything. I don’t know what their financial arrangement is with Marvel. I’m already getting money from my other contributions to Marvel; I don’t need Wolverine money, thank you very much.”
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"If there’s Wolverine money [from Disney], I hope his widow gets rich off it. I’ve got my own. I don’t need Len’s or hers.”
Even Wein's widow, who is an entertainment and copyright attorney, says "This is not about finances. This is about stolen valor."
Edited by John Wickett on 06 April 2024 at 9:34pm
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