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Posted: 16 December 2021 at 7:53am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

And Len intended his origin to be tied to The High Evolutionary as well.

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If memory serves, that actually came from Chris and Dave.

The scene in 99 (?) where the Sentinels state that they cannot get a proper fix on Wolverine, as he reads as both a mutant and something else, was intended as a set up for revealing him as one of the High Evolutionary's Ani-Men.

Then, unaware of their plans, Archie Goodwin used that idea for the origin of Spider-Woman, so Chris and Dave had to change direction. It was at that time that I suggested Sabertooth be Wolverine's father, himself the mutant and that mutation having bred true in his offspring. Thus, Wolverine was not a true mutant, but actually the first of a new species.

As it turned out, a later writer assigned to the series declared Spider-Woman being a super-evolved spider to be too "creepy", and so the High Evolutionary's part in her story was altered and reduced.

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Posted: 16 December 2021 at 8:03am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

The High Evolutionary was everywhere in the late 70s!
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Still one of the GREAT character names!
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Panel 3 Page 8 is one of the coolest Hulk face renderings I think I've seen to date.
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In X-MEN #103, a leprechaun calls Logan a "talkin' wolverine" in another abandoned origin hint. More proof that the character he became was a longtime in developing. (Not to mention that by the time he was incredibly popular the character he was under JB was already changed further as well.)

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Despite the slippery timeline, I decided to go for a mid-Seventies version of the Hulk. Approximately as he looked in (the) Wolverine's first appearance.
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It was at that time that I suggested Sabertooth be Wolverine's father, himself the mutant and that mutation having bred true in his offspring. Thus, Wolverine was not a true mutant, but actually the first of a new species.

That's interesting.

It seems that for a long time Marvel is considering mutants as a species.

And now with their own island/country...

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In X-MEN #103, a leprechaun calls Logan a "talkin' wolverine" in another abandoned origin hint. More proof that the character he became was a longtime in developing. (Not to mention that by the time he was incredibly popular the character he was under JB was already changed further as well.)

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Altho there was no question that the character had become "popular" with the fans, by that time there was no way to truly judge how much of that was due to people appreciating what was happening with him, and how much was dealers and speculators buying multiple copies of his every appearance.

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It seems that for a long time Marvel is considering mutants as a species.

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It's been a long time since Marvel has had a real grasp on what a "mutant" is, even in their own special context.

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The way you drew Jean’s lips in panel three feels like it was pulled right out of your original run on the book!
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That would go a long way toward explaining why I'm not really happy with that face!!
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Still one of the GREAT character names!


JB, was the High Evolutionary part of your inspiration for the Grand Designer in TRIPLE HELIX?
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