Active Topics | Member List | Search | Help | Register | Login
The John Byrne Forum
Byrne Robotics > The John Byrne Forum << Prev Page of 102 Next >>
Topic: ELSEWHEN Inking &c Post ReplyPost New Topic
Author
Message
Scott Barnett
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 14 December 2018
Location: United States
Posts: 264
Posted: 22 August 2019 at 5:33am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Thank you for coming to my defense, Matt, but honestly, I don't see the problem here.

Tim, I confess to not understanding why you think posting the original pages inked is somehow offensive. I inked these pages several months ago, when that's all there was of this project, but even so, I don't see the problem if I had inked these yesterday.

I don't recall JB requesting we not post the original 20-page story inked. If he has, I'll abide by whatever rules he's set up. These are his pages and this is his playground.
Back to Top profile | search
 
John Byrne
Avatar
Grumpy Old Guy

Joined: 11 May 2005
Posts: 133580
Posted: 22 August 2019 at 8:03am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

A general note: A lot of you, inking the jungle backgrounds in the first "issue," are using a very dead line. No variation. This makes the backgrounds look like wallpaper, rather than real, living jungle.

Look closely. Notice how I rotate my pencil to give variation in each line, thick/thin, thin/think.

A little more BOUNCE to the line!

Back to Top profile | search
 
Paul Wills
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 18 August 2018
Location: United States
Posts: 901
Posted: 22 August 2019 at 1:32pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I'm currently working on a page with jungle background. I can't wait to put this tip to use! (somehow I keep picking the pages to ink involving the nightmare Wolverine).
Back to Top profile | search | www e-mail
 
Jeffrey Rice
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 10 September 2011
Location: United States
Posts: 1161
Posted: 22 August 2019 at 4:07pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Would using a traditional brush help to learn line variation?
Back to Top profile | search
 
Tim O Neill
Byrne Robotics Security


Joined: 16 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 10942
Posted: 22 August 2019 at 6:50pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply


Scott B: "Thank you for coming to my defense, Matt, but honestly, I don't see
the problem here.

Tim, I confess to not understanding why you think posting the original pages
inked is somehow offensive. I inked these pages several months ago, when
that's all there was of this project, but even so, I don't see the problem if I had
inked these yesterday.

I don't recall JB requesting we not post the original 20-page story inked. If he
has, I'll abide by whatever rules he's set up. These are his pages and this is his
playground."

"****

Well, I didn't say it was offensive and I didn't say it was restricted - of course
you can post those pages. I was giving my opinion that there were several
pages with no dialogue, and I am more talking about the blue line pages.
When Eric offered blue lines by email I thought I would mention that I didn't like
seeing the dialogue/narration not inked. If more people will be inking on blue
line, I would hope they retain the dialogue, which is the only thing on the
original that is inked. To evaluate these pages, I think it's best to see to the full
piece, and the dialogue is important - I don't think the dialogue should be
given short shrift.


Back to Top profile | search
 
Scott Barnett
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 14 December 2018
Location: United States
Posts: 264
Posted: 23 August 2019 at 10:38am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Well, I didn't say it was offensive and I didn't say it was restricted - of course 
you can post those pages. I was giving my opinion that there were several 
pages with no dialogue, and I am more talking about the blue line pages. 
When Eric offered blue lines by email I thought I would mention that I didn't like 
seeing the dialogue/narration not inked. If more people will be inking on blue 
line, I would hope they retain the dialogue, which is the only thing on the 
original that is inked. To evaluate these pages, I think it's best to see to the full 
piece, and the dialogue is important - I don't think the dialogue should be 
given short shrift.

-------------------------

Your initial post sounded to me as though you thought I was doing something disrespectful.

In any event, I had created my bluelines from the content I had available to me at the time, which was the unlettered 20-page story from last summer. That's what is printed on artboards in my studio. I'd rather not waste that time and those art supplies, so when I get back to it, I'll be finishing that version first.

I'd love to start inking the lettered versions, too, but all in good time.
Back to Top profile | search
 
Scott Barnett
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 14 December 2018
Location: United States
Posts: 264
Posted: 23 August 2019 at 10:41am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

A general note: A lot of you, inking the jungle backgrounds in the first "issue," are using a very dead line. No variation. This makes the backgrounds look like wallpaper, rather than real, living jungle.

Look closely. Notice how I rotate my pencil to give variation in each line, thick/thin, thin/think.

A little more BOUNCE to the line!

-------------

Thank you for the tip, JB! That was another unintended consequence to shrinking down my inks to post here (I lost a fair amount of the line variation I thought I had achieved).

Lesson learned!

Back to Top profile | search
 
Eric Ladd
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 16 August 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 4505
Posted: 23 August 2019 at 11:28am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

 Tim O Neill wrote:
dismissive of the full piece

The spirit of this thread is definitely to allow people to stretch out artistically. Respect for the subject matter is implied and I thought I was being respectful by putting my work out there as well as trying to help others. I don't know how I am being "dismissive" by only inking the pages and doing some of the lettering duty. I don't think it is dismissive when Darren Taylor, Mark McKay or anyone else posts a portion of a page and I'm not sure why I would be singled out when I post a portion of a page. There is nothing dismissive or disrespectful intended when I post pages that are fulling inked, but partially lettered. Back on page 6 of this thread I did post a page with lettering and it took a very long time to get right. Since I have no intention of being a letterer I would rather spend that time inking images and practicing with a brush and quill.
Back to Top profile | search
 
Tim O Neill
Byrne Robotics Security


Joined: 16 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 10942
Posted: 24 August 2019 at 2:13pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply


I just don't agree with anything you are saying here, Eric. I think we're coming
from different places. This is a thread for people to post their work, and
people are sharing opinions pretty freely - I don't know why my opinion is
getting this kind of resistance.

I don't think this is a great thread for debate, but I will say one thing to back up
a bit and give some context:

I see JB as a kind of pioneer in lettering. He was the first I was aware of who
took control of his lettering and used a computer early in his career. And
because I prefer when he writes his own work, I like seeing how the dialogue
interacts with the art.

One of my favorite aspects of ELSEWHEN is that while the pencils will be
interpreted by many inkers, the dialogue/narration is baked into the piece and
complete. You don't need to ink it - it's done and it's a major part of the
piece.You don't have any "duty" as a letterer, but you are removing what is
there. I see a lot of rookie and professional inkers do things to JB's art I
disagree with, but I didn't think we would see the dialogue drop out like this, so
I am saying something.

I'm no artist, but since the dialogue/narration is camera ready, can't you paste
it up or digitally add it? Wouldn't you just need to ink the balloon? It just
seems what you are doing is wrong.


Back to Top profile | search
 
Peter Martin
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 17 March 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 16001
Posted: 24 August 2019 at 7:41pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

So you don't see it as offensive, merely wrong? A rose by any other name...

JB is a wonderful storyteller. I doubt there are many (if any) on this board who don't admire his writing. But, for goodness sake, this is a thread about inking his art. You may prefer the words in place, but to say that to post art without the words is wrong is simply going too far, Tim.
Back to Top profile | search
 
Doug Centers
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 17 February 2014
Location: United States
Posts: 5636
Posted: 24 August 2019 at 8:21pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Now that I have blue lines (thanks Eric), I'll be inking the balloons but they'll be empty.
Back to Top profile | search
 
Eric Ladd
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 16 August 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 4505
Posted: 25 August 2019 at 3:39pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Tim, take a look at the history of my posts and you will see a variety of attempts while I wrestled with the dialog on pages when posting a page. I've tried printing my blue line boards with the boarders, balloons and dialog in black to save a step, but the "customer use" copiers can't print well on smooth bristol boards and those elements get scraped off by a straight edge eventually. I've tried everything and the only way I can get the dialog on the page is to digitally add it and that is as I mentioned too time consuming. Since posting my pages without the dialog might offend I will simply post potions that are not complete for comment. So let's get back to putting up some art.

I am liking how the Prototype Sentinel is coming out on this page:


This panel is a lot of fun. This is the fourth time I have inked it:


And, I do like the effects on this panel and I am salivating to do page 15 of issue #3. This is also my fourth time:


Back to Top profile | search
 

<< Prev Page of 102 Next >>
  Post ReplyPost New Topic
Printable version Printable version

Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot create polls in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

 Active Topics | Member List | Search | Help | Register | Login