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Lars Johansson
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Ed Deans.
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Whoa! Byrne was involved with Superman IV: The Quest for Box Office Reciepts?
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Zaki Hasan
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Ed Deans. wrote:
Whoa! Byrne was involved with Superman IV: The Quest for Box Office Reciepts?
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Here's my question and JB's response from the old boards:
ME:
I
have to say, though the movie on the whole is forgettable, the little
speech Christopher Reeve gives at the end, talking about why he was
wrong to think he could rid the world of its nuclear problems is really
quite wonderful. It underscores how Reeve owned that character and why
he casts such a long shadow in the role. It's sad that the film he had
the most input into turned out to be such a disaster. Still, this was a
beautiful moment in an otherwise unremarkable cinematic experience.
JB:
About
the only thing I can take credit for -- and that obliquely -- is that
speech at the end. Originally, Chris had wanted Superman to
successfully rid the world of nuclear weapons, and I'd pointed out to
him that it was really not a good idea to have the audience come out of
the theatre into a world that was very much not the one they
had just seen in the movie. So it became a "lesson for Superman" movie,
instead of what was originally envisioned.
(Reeve also wanted Superman to die in that movie -- but that's another story!)
Beyond that, my involvement came down to meeting a couple of times with
Reeve and the appointed screenwriters, batting around some ideas, and
writing a couple of screen treatments, neither of which were used in
any part. (One became "The Earth Stealers" graphic novel, the other I
discarded.)
Edited by Zaki Hasan on 20 April 2005 at 4:17am
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Lars Johansson
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Zaki, had I known this, what I now read, I would have been even more
confident.
You not only knew a lot more than me about John Byrne and
Superman IV, you also liked the part that he did very much, without
knowing he
was behind it! The footage leading up to the final climax, the speech,
written by the fine artist is what I want restored which is far more
interesting than that awful cover presented here, not saying that the
poor attempts restoring Superman II, the movie itself, has some value.
But this discussion i find to be very stimulating and of major
importance, finding what is worth restoring and what is not. And
finding out what is good art and what is not.
The fine artist does not want to be connected with what is bad, because
he knows what's good. The bad artists take over and we will all
be left with bad DVD covers, by "artists" without self-criticism, and
probably also badly assembled versions of even the good movies. With
the release of the Superman II cover, we are perhaps witnessing such a
scenario while, the ever so littly involved fine artist's only movie is
ordered to be burnt.
Edited for spelling.
Edited by Lars Johansson on 20 April 2005 at 5:11am
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Zaki Hasan wrote:
| (To Lars)...Given the choice between crappy Richard Lester footage and crappy rejected Sydney J. Furie footage, you're darn right I come down on the side of Richard Lester... |
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I'm not sure I know about the Sydney J. Furie footage. What's that all about?
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Lars Johansson
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Matt Hawes wrote:
| I'm not sure I know about the Sydney J. Furie footage. What's that all about? |
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Just like a portion of Superman II was thrown out, the same happened to Superman IV. If you have seen the movie, suddenly Superman is sick and looks old. Mainly the part where he ages, about 45 minutes or so was removed. The lost footage includes another meaner looking Atom Man.
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Zaki Hasan
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Lars Johansson wrote:
Zaki, had I known this, what I now read, I would have been even more
confident.
You not only knew a lot more than me about John Byrne and
Superman IV, you also liked the part that he did very much, without
knowing he
was behind it! The footage leading up to the final climax, the speech,
written by the fine artist is what I want restored which is far more
interesting than that awful cover presented here, not saying that the
poor attempts restoring Superman II, the movie itself, has some value.
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Lars -
JB has said that none of his two screen treatments ended up being used
in any form for the film. When he says he can take credit for the
speech at the end (obliquely), I'm assuming he doesn't mean "take
credit" in the sense that he wrote it, but only in that it arose from
the thematic necessity he brought to Chris Reeve's attention, that this
be a "Superman learns a lesson" movie as opposed to a "Superman changes
the world forever" story.
Regardless, I wouldn't mind (in a train wreck sort of way) seeing what it was that they chopped out of the flick.
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Lars Johansson
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Zaki Hasan wrote:
| ...Regardless, I wouldn't mind (in a train wreck sort of way) seeing what it was that they chopped out of the flick. |
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http://www.supermancinema.co.uk/superman4/general/extra_foot age/extra_footage4_page2.htm
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Matt Reed
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SUPERMAN IV is bad. If you like it, that's cool. You're just a fan of a bad movie. No shame in that. But to try and say it's something other than bad is like saying crap is anything other than what it is. No amount of restoration is gonna turn this sidewalk drawing into a Michelangelo fresco.
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Thanks for the link, Lars.
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Ben Tinsley
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Don't you think we could cut JB some slack? After all, it's HIS board!
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Al Flores
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Superman IV was a bad movie.
Who was the editor on that one Edward Scissorhands?
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