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Trevor Smith
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| Posted: 08 February 2018 at 4:50am | IP Logged | 1
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It's a strange thing to fixate on perhaps, but one thing
I keep coming back to. Superman with a 10 year old son
is potentially 10 years (or less!) away from being a
frigging GRANDFATHER!
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 08 February 2018 at 7:57am | IP Logged | 2
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It's a strange thing to fixate on perhaps, but one thing I keep coming back to. Superman with a 10 year old son is potentially 10 years (or less!) away from being a frigging GRANDFATHER! And you can be sure DC will age the kid as close to real time as they can get! They just can't help themselves!
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Andrew Bitner
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| Posted: 08 February 2018 at 10:31am | IP Logged | 3
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Me:
all because DC wanted to have their cake (a nice, clean reboot of the whole universe) and eat it too (all the stuff older fans wanted, like married Superman).
JB: Exactly what scuttled CRISIS.
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One might possibly imagine that the experiences of 1986 would have left some useful guidance on how not to do a reboot. JB, your wisdom on this is overlooked by TPTB yet again. And here we are. In the second major reworking of the DCU in five or six years and what could be a reboot of the Marvel line in the not-so-distant.
Seems there is a simple message there. Either reboot your universe or don't. Half-assing it doesn't work.
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Andrew Bitner
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| Posted: 08 February 2018 at 10:32am | IP Logged | 4
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Trevor: It's a strange thing to fixate on perhaps, but one thing I keep coming back to. Superman with a 10 year old son is potentially 10 years (or less!) away from being a frigging GRANDFATHER!
JB: And you can be sure DC will age the kid as close to real time as they can get! They just can't help themselves!
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I am glumly certain we'll see SUPERMAN & SON, with a late-teenage Jon Kent rebelling against his still-weirdly-youthful dad, by 2020.
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Charles Valderrama
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Didn't they kill off Superboy/Connor Kent?? The chances of Jon Kent's survival seem SLIM!! ('Specially with all the reboots!)
-C!
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Robbie Parry
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| Posted: 08 February 2018 at 12:26pm | IP Logged | 6
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Who on earth is Connor Kent? (Rhetorical question in case anyone wonders).
I really am out of the loop. ;-)
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John Byrne
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DC gave us a flurry of "Legacy" characters when the originals got "too old". (Whose fault was that?) And how long can Batman and Superman be exempt? By my reckoning, about thirty years have gone by since they made their debuts.
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Andrew Bitner
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| Posted: 08 February 2018 at 12:46pm | IP Logged | 8
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Robbie, Connor is what they finally named "Subject 13" aka the Metropolis Kid aka Kon-El aka Superboy post-Death of Superman.
He grew up (a recurring theme today) at least by a few years, was revealed to be a genetic blend of Superman and Lex Luthor, and died in battle against Superman-Prime (I think).
He hasn't returned in the New52 but word is that he'll be coming back at some point, probably to pick a fight with Jon over the name Superboy.
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Robbie Parry
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Thanks, Andrew (now off to Google Superman-Prime!).
I'd hate to be an editor on WHO'S WHO? if it were being published today.
De-uniqueing has certainly become more prevalent in recent years. It's like some major puzzle. I mean, as soon as Andrew kindly explains things to me, I hear of Superman-Prime. Just how many bloody Supermen/Superboys are there?
At least under the old "multiple earths" concept, they were roughly similar. You didn't need archaeological knowledge of Earth-1 Superman and Earth-2 Superman. Connor Kent, Superman-Prime and everything else sounds convoluted!
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Andrew Bitner
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| Posted: 08 February 2018 at 1:53pm | IP Logged | 10
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Let's see...
Superman
Superboy Jon Kent
Superboy Connor Kent
Superboy Clark Kent (parallel world)
Superman-Prime (villain)
Superman/Kal-L (Earth 2)
Superman Kingdom Come (worked with the JSA a few years back)
Superman Calvin Kent (?), president and superhero
Superman 1,000,000 (from the DC ONE MILLION event)
Superman-Kamandi (lionlike, semi-sentient, wearing Superman's costume)
And there are the versions of Superman that were our mainstream Clark Kent but... different:
Superman Red and Superman Blue
Electric Superman
There are probably more out there, but over 80 years, there have been a lot of Supermen.
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Eric Sofer
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I hear a call to action...
There were EIGHT Supermen between Kal-El and Klar-Ken in the 25th century.
There are Kal-El's on several parallel Earths. "Superboy's Legion"; "Superboy and the Five Legion Traitors"; the Superboy on the world of Supergirl and Batgirl in one Elseworld's "World's Finest"; Superboy in the two part Elseworlds Annuals (The Super Seven; in "The Adventures of Superman Annual" #6 and "Superboy Annual" #1); all the Superboys from the Black Zero (yeah, that included that "World's Finest" Elseworlds briefly); the Superman anti-clone created by Darkseid to fight the Legion of Super-Heroes in "The Great Darkness Saga"; the baby Kal-El who died in the Batman Elseworlds "Holy Terror"; the baby Kal-El who died in the Amalgam Super-Soldier stories; the Superboy who died fighting the Time Trapper during the Crisis in Mr. Byrne's excellent saga...
If I put my mind to it, there are probably a dozen more, but the point is, I think, obvious; that's a damnably high lot of Supermen!
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James Johnson
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| Posted: 08 February 2018 at 6:34pm | IP Logged | 12
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I am glumly certain we'll see SUPERMAN & SON, with a late-teenage Jon Kent rebelling against his still-weirdly-youthful dad, by 2020.
====================================== SUPERMAN & SON?!?!?!?!?
Quick! Someone get Norman Lear on the phone.......
"Jon?!?!?!? You big dummy!!! You don't anything about being a superhero!!!!!"
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