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John Mariani
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Posted: 16 September 2017 at 7:54am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I feel slightly ashamed to say that I am looking forward to this. (At least I'll give it a go).

I can understand why they want to keep the membership to four but they've really split the Mr Fantastic character into two (Mr. Terrific and Plastic Man) forcing them to drop the Human Torch. I'd've gone for Firestorm as a fifth character ...
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Erik Larsen did the Hulk-like SAVAGE DRAGON

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With great respect, Eric, I'm not sure I'd agree with that. The rest of your list, though, yes. 
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If DC wanted the Fantastic Four: Fire could go for the Human Torch!!!
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Robbie...

Well, not exactly of course, but a big green guy with super-strength?  At least the visuals (or energy) were there.  (Compare Larsen's version of the Hulk when he guest-starred in SPIDER-MAN or in the DEFENDERS revival--not many people draw the Hulk with a tiny waist!)
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I'll look at Larsen's Hulk.

I always thought that Savage Dragon was more of a "mixture" of various characters.
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I always thought that Savage Dragon was more of a "mixture" of various characters.

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Dragons come in many colors. Larsen didn't REALLY have to make his green, did he?

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That is true. I guess my mindset is that Savage Dragon seemed villainous in a lot of ways - would another green-skinned character have been the inspiration, not necessarily the Hulk?

Not that I can be sure 100%.

Someone did suggest the Abomination. That could have been an inspiration, I guess. 
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Just speaking as an artist, it looks like Larsen liked drawing a gigantically muscled green guy (with a tiny waist) at Marvel, so he continued to draw a gigantically muscled green guy (with a tiny waist) at Image.

And Todd McFarlane liked drawing a red, white, and blue, full-face-masked guy on top of rooftops with grey stuff (webs) shooting out at all angles at Marvel with Spider-Man, so he did something (visually) similar (chains replacing webs) at Image.

And Pitt is fairly obvious, and so are the teams.

Obviously, they knew what they liked to draw, and they went (mostly) totally different ways with the storylines.  There's nothing really wrong with that.  However, seeing ALL of them do the same kind of "homage" (Lee and Silvestri's studio was even CALLED "Homage" for gosh sake!) all at the same time under one banner was maybe a bit much.  I bet the suits at Marvel were eating their ties for a while there.


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Thank you, Eric. This is why discussion is good, based on what you have just typed (none of which I knew), then I guess that changes my view.

I didn't know there'd been a studio called HOMAGE.

And as an artist, I guess your perspective counts a lot here.
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Some of the posts here have me trying to figure out better DC homages to the FF.  Some possibilities (sorry to repeat other's ideas, just summing up)--

The LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES configuration A
Brainiac 5
Phantom Girl
Blok
Sun Boy

The LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES configuration B
Invisible Kid (maybe give his invisibility formula to Dream Girl)
Elastic Lad
Stone Boy
Wildfire

The tweaked TERRIFICS configuration
Metamorpho
Mercury (or one of the other Metal Men)
Power Girl 
Firestorm (Prof. Stein is the team genius)

The DOOM PATROL with a twist configuration
Robot Man
Elastic-Girl
Negative Man
The Atom (team genius and, since the others are like 50's monster movie characters, Ray Palmer could be tweaked to be more like "The Incredible Shrinking Man")

The suped-up CHALLENGERS OF THE UNKNOWN configuration
(Just go all the way and give the original Challs super-powers)
Rocky (becomes rock man--duh)
Prof. (becomes super-genius, maybe Machine Man-type cyborg "stretching")
Ace (gets flight, maybe air powers)
Red (well, fire might be too obvious, maybe heat vision--something red)

The FREEDOM FIGHTERS (another FF!) configuration
Phantom Lady (with her 70's power of intangibility)
Human Bomb (the whole Ben Grimm isolation)
The Ray
Plastic Man


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This thread reminds me of the FF-like group of Legionnaires JB had take on
Superman.
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Good call, Wallace. You know in all the years of reading that story I'd never noticed that the Legion members used in that story were FF-like, but it's so obvious now that you've brought it to my attention, right down to the nod to the original FF cover with Gladiator (which should've been my first clue, duh). Very clever, JB.
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