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John Byrne
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Price point is a good point. The price has gone up so that the creators get a decent income - can't argue with that.••• In 1980, when I got married, I was making $30,000 a year, strictly from my page rate. Back then, that was a decent income, achieved without royalties -- which would not have been much anyway on books that still clocked in well under a dollar. The trick was working for it!
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Steve De Young
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As a parent, I am very curious as to what you think this amount of expendable income is per week. -------------------------------------------------------- I frequently see kids throwing down $50+ on Magic cards, for example. Even at today's prices, you could get a dozen comics for that, if there was anything being published in comics form that interested them.
My nephew gets two or three games a month, at $60 a pop minimum. Again, that's 35-40comics a month, if they were publishing anything that interested him.
They could lower the price back to 10 cents a piece, and most kids today still wouldn't be interested in anything Marvel is publishing.
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Wallace Sellars
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I still don't understand why Marvel doesn't have comic books in movie
theaters, especially when their movies are being played.
On second thought… The comics and movies don't match, so...
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Conrad Teves
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Wallace>>I still don't understand why Marvel doesn't have comic books in movie
theaters, especially when their movies are being played.<<
I fully expect comics would sell better if you could routinely get them someplace other than a comics store. Even in theaters, now that comics-based movies are pretty common. Considering what they charge at the concession stand these days, a comic book or two might seem a reasonable addition?
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Michael Roberts
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I fully expect comics would sell better if you could routinely get them
someplace other than a comics store.
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I see comics all the time in Toys R Us, in Barnes & Noble, and in
Walmart. It's not 1999 anymore. They are readily available. They're just
surrounded by things that are a better value for kids, regardless of the
content. And kids are still buying comics. It's just in the form of trades
and graphic novels, not monthly magazines.
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Michael Roberts
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Walmart even has those bundles of comics that are relatively cheap,
but given the choice of an assortment of fractional stories that they'll
forget about by the time they find the next issue (if ever) or a bunch of
Pokémon cards that they can play with their friends repeatedly and
trade for new ones, which do you think they'll pick?
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Conrad Teves
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Micheal>>I see comics all the time in Toys R Us, in Barnes & Noble, and in
Walmart. It's not 1999 anymore.<<
I was aware of the Barnes & Noble part, they tend to have a pretty limited selection relative to their Manga/Trade/Graphic Novel section though. It's good to see, nonetheless.
>>Walmart even has those bundles of comics that are relatively cheap,
but given the choice of an assortment of fractional stories that they'll
forget about by the time they find the next issue << <SNIP>
This is quite encouraging, and on the last point, this is a good argument for One-Shot books being at least more comment than they are?
Many of my favorite books from my youth were one-shots. Totally removes the opacity issue you get with large arcs or years-long continuities.
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Michael Roberts
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The other thing to consider is how much different kid culture is
nowadays. I don't know how it was for other people, but my mom
thought comics were a waste of money. But I could buy comics anyway
with my allowance because I was a latchkey kid who could ride his bike
to the mall without parental supervision. Nowadays I rarely see pre-
teens out a shopping mall without a parent or older sibling close by.
(Hell, my friends' kid just went off today for 6th grade camp, and she
already has a ton of pictures from the parent chaperones of what her
kid is doing.) I don't see kids buying those Pokémon cards, Minecraft
blind boxes or FNAF blind boxes on their own. They have a parent
supervising the purchase. And I think most of them would argue a 30
page magazine for $5 is not a good value.
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Ron Grant
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are they too expensive for kids in the 1960's a comic was 12 cents and a paperback was 35 cents nowadays the comics are 3.99 and a paperback is 9.99.
I don't think the price is a deterrent they just don't appeal to the kids
and there is also way more entertainment competition at their finger tips netflix,video games etc etc
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Michael Roberts
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It's not that they are too expensive, but ROI. For the same amount of
money, you can get other forms of entertainment that last longer. It also
doesn't help that the internet has devalued content, and younger
people think they should get music, movies, and books for free.
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James Woodcock
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How has the price increased compared to kids allowance? I'll explain.
When I was a kid, I had parents and three brothers, all older than me. I would go to the shops each night and buy parents stuff and brothers stuff. At the start, I would charge 5p per person per visit. By the end, it was 20p per person per visit. This was between mid 1970's and mid 1980's.
That funded a pretty good comic buying habit as basically two people paid for a comic per trip to the shops. That would mean I would charge each person £2 per trip to the corner shop in today's money, if I was to be able to buy a comic from that money.
I can't see my parents or brothers paying £2 per trip to the corner shop.
I say this knowing that over a 10 year period my charges increased 400% so if it increases 400% every 10 years, by now that would be £12.80. But we all know that would be unsustainable.
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Shane Matlock
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I offer to buy my kid comics every week at the comic shop and read them to him when he gets them. He likes the Batman/TMNT book and he's wanted and gotten every issue of both mini-series of that so far, He used to get stuff like Spongebob and Scooby-Doo with the occasional Spider-Man or Hulk comic every now and then. Lately though all he wants to get are the cheap Marvel toys they sell (tiny mystery figures for $2.50) or Pokemon cards. It's pretty discouraging but I'm not going to force comics on him. That's what made me hate religion and sports. :D
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