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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 March 2009 Location: United States Posts: 8369
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Posted: 20 September 2016 at 1:52pm | IP Logged | 1
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According to Diamond, the number of issues sold in July reached an almost 20 year high. Now, like television, this is spread out over a huge amount of product. So, the number of issues per title aren't going to be where they were 20 years ago. That said, I saw this article at Beeping Cool and almost lost my mind.
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Now, the part that made me shake my head is the twitter post from Nick Spencer. While he makes a good point about dropping 10 spots on the chart, I think he's missing the point. IMO, despite the number of books per title being down, if you are writing a top tier Marvel character, who happens to have the highest grossing movie of the year and can only push out 30,000 copies per issue, there is a serious problem. Am I wrong? Am I missing something or has Marvel's expectations really dropped THAT low?
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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 133266
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Posted: 20 September 2016 at 2:09pm | IP Logged | 2
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Diminishing returns and reduced expectations have been s.o.p. for decades, I'm afraid.
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Eric Jansen Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 27 October 2013 Location: United States Posts: 2364
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Posted: 20 September 2016 at 2:52pm | IP Logged | 3
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I quit all my Marvel comics after that "Hail Hydra" thing. I seem to recall reading that sales for the long-awaited return of Steve Rogers as Captain America sold 100,000 copies. If it dropped to 30,000 this quickly, here's a thought--maybe stay away from stupid things like "Hail Hydra" that tick people off.
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Jason Larouse Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 September 2016 at 3:41pm | IP Logged | 4
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Marvel also cancelled Fantastic Four, which was selling around 30k, due to "low sales". I wonder why the same logic doesn't apply to a Captain America comic.
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John Popa Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 20 March 2008 Posts: 4448
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Posted: 20 September 2016 at 4:21pm | IP Logged | 5
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Looking online, the most recent sales charts show Cap selling 49K. It's possible Spencer just threw out a general number.
(Not that 49K is a huge number, but it's not what his Cap book is selling either.)
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Brian Hague Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 September 2016 at 5:53pm | IP Logged | 6
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So it's selling about one football stadium's capacity more than that..? We're saved!
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7776
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Posted: 21 September 2016 at 1:57am | IP Logged | 7
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I read his post as well. My immediate thought was 'perhaps if they returned all the original versions rather than replacing EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER with a female version, things wouldn't be so bad.
I'm not decrying female characters, but not every character needs a female equivalent, just as not every female character needs a male equivalent. We currently have female Spider-Man (actually, we have three female Spider-Men), female Iron Man, female Thor, female Hawkeye, female Wolverine
And that's just from the top of my head without thinking. What's going on?
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John Byrne
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Posted: 21 September 2016 at 5:48am | IP Logged | 8
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Creative bankruptcy?Or was that a rhetorical question?
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 September 2016 at 7:06am | IP Logged | 9
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Rhetorical
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Jason Larouse Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 10 May 2011 Posts: 515
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Posted: 21 September 2016 at 7:06am | IP Logged | 10
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Looking online, the most recent sales charts show Cap selling 49K. It's possible Spencer just threw out a general number.
(Not that 49K is a huge number, but it's not what his Cap book is selling either.)
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I think he's talking about the Sam Wilson Captain America book (yes, there are two Captain Americas right now) that he's also writing.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 21 September 2016 at 7:53am | IP Logged | 11
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When Chris and I were doing X-MEN the book was lucky to get over 150,000 units per month, and was always just a step ahead of cancelation. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN, meanwhile, was averaging around 400,000.Ahh, the Direct Sales Market has done SO much good for the comicbook industry, hasnt it?
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Andrew Bitner Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 7526
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Posted: 21 September 2016 at 8:32am | IP Logged | 12
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The DSM was truly the poisoned chalice.
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