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Andrew W. Farago
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Sounds a bit like the ESSENTIALS were petering out around the time the art was starting to become more and more heavily dependent on the color.
The Essential Wolverine ran through the mid-nineties run, and the gray washes they used in the last couple of volumes were a real mess.
The first volume of that series, though, was one of the best possible arguments for the Essentials format, with John Buscema inked by himself, Al Williamson, and Bill Sienkiewicz, a Gene Colan Wolverine story, and the Archie Goodwin-scripted run with art by John Byrne and Klaus Janson. It's a solid run of stories and they look great in black and white.
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Brian Rhodes
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The Essentials ended a couple of years ago. I think the last one published was Hulk Vol 7.
Dang. Ended at The Incredible Hulk #248. Just a few issues into Sal doing his own inks and right before that great Silver Surfer issue.
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Jason Larouse
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Dang. Ended at The Incredible Hulk #248. Just a few issues into Sal doing his own inks and right before that great Silver Surfer issue.
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You think that's bad, the Amazing Spider-Man essential also ended at ASM 248, aka 3 issues before the end of Roger Stern's run. Essential Spider-Man will forever collect everything from Amazing Fantasy 15 up until almost but not quite the end of the Stern run. That was one of the last ones so they had to have known Essentials weren't going to last longer. They could have at least put those three issues in!
Another aside: the black costume would have probably been perfectly suited for the essentials too.
Edited by Jason Larouse on 31 August 2016 at 2:37pm
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Stephen Churay
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Going back to JB's original post, I feel the need to tell
this story...
I did a 4 page Fantastic Four story for my portfolio about
8 years ago. I brought it to Wizard World Chicago, one of
the last year's publishers had a presence.
A Marvel editor looked it over, gave me the good, the bad
and the ugly. The fourth page was a splash page
cliffhanger. I like ending my portfolio stories this way.
He gets to my splash page and gushes about how cool it was
but wished I'd told the story after it instead. "That's the
one I want to see."
To which I responded, "Thank you for the critique but the
whole idea of stopping, and leaving you wanting more, isn't
that the job?"
He didn't have a good retort. But calling him out, might
have closed the dialogue from that day on. Looking at
Marvel now, I can live with it.
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Robbie Parry
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Wow. Nothing about that makes sense (his response).
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John Byrne
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When I do commissions, I try to tell part of a story within a single picture. The best compliment I can then receive is people saying they want to read that story. That's what that editor was saying. You'd tweaked his interest. And that's a good thing.
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Ryan Maxwell
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Essentials ended?!? Sad news. I've been quietly and patiently waiting for JB's Alpha Flight. Hopefully a similar format is published at some point in the future, but knowing Marvel, they will start all over again with the main tiles and #1 issues.
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Brian Miller
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They've already started, Ryan. The Epic Collection line replaced the Essentials.
I was very eagerly awaiting the next AS-M volume as well as the FF getting to JB's run. I was also hoping for AF and NEW MUTANTS.
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Stephen Churay
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JB:When I do commissions, I try to tell
part of a story within a single picture.
The best compliment I can then receive is
people saying they want to read that
story.
That's what that editor was saying. You'd
tweaked his interest. And that's a good
thing.
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Cool, thanks JB. I havery gotten good
reviews for my panel to panel storytelling
(thank you, Adam Kubert), and plotting as
I create my own stories to tell. My
biggest criticisms usually come down to
making the work dynamic and having a style
that's too old fashion.
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John Cole
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I Was lucky enough to purchase a number of the 40+ year DVD ROM collections of Incredible Hulk,Fantastic Four,Amazing Spider-Man,Avengers,Captain America,X-Men,Iron Man before they went out of print about eight or nine years ago and became extremely expensive on ebay.
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John Byrne
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"Dependent upon the color" doesn't simply mean the issues were IN color, it means the penciler/inker has left much of the work of defining form and volume, light and shade, to the colorists. That, in fact, without the color the pages start to look like a child's coloring book -- and one without much detail.
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